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Re:You and the planet need a heat pump by lasson on Sunday March 20, 2022 @06:05PM (#30747176)
How do freezers work if heat pumps stop working at 32F?
Re:You and the planet need a heat pump by throwaway0a5e on Sunday March 20, 2022 @06:06PM (#30747184)
Freezers use a different refrigerant that gives them a different working temperature range.

Additionally, for proper efficiency the key components of the system need to be sized for your target temperature and the temperature range of your ambient air.

Re:You and the planet need a heat pump by jqpabc123 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @07:46PM (#30748055)
With heat pump systems, "inside" is the temperature being controlled. "Outside" is uncontrolled --- it's where heat is being dumped to or pulled from.

Don't confuse the two.

The efficiency of a home heat pump declines as the air temperature outside the home drops. A freezer is working in reverse so it's efficiency declines as the air temperature outside the freezer box rises.

Neither a heat pump in an Alaskan winter nor a freezer sitting on a Florida back porch in summer are operating very efficiently.

Re:You and the planet need a heat pump by MauranKilom on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:00PM (#30748186)
I believe the point was that both a pump for heating in winter as well as a fridge/freezer try to move energy from the colder to the warmer side. Seeing as freezers can successfully extract energy from the side that is below freezing, it stands to reason that the same should be possible for a "keep your home warm, even in winter" heat pump.

Now, the original claim of "heat pumps don't work below freezing" is trivially wrong (and so the question by lasson was justified), but the overall point is that heat pump efficiency gets worse the more you need it in the case of keeping your home warm.

Re:You and the planet need a heat pump by jqpabc123 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:56PM (#30748740)
Seeing as freezers can successfully extract energy from the side that is below freezing...

Invalid assumption.

Whether it can or not depends on the environment.

Most ordinary freezers are designed to operate within a relatively luxurious temperature controlled in-door environment. Stick one in the sun on a Florida back porch in August and you may well discover it can no longer successfully "extract energy from the side that is below freezing". Same thing (only in reverse) can happen with a home heat pump in an Alaskan winter.

There is another important element here --- energy loss and insulation.

At a certain temperature (whatever it may be), the energy lost to the surroundings will start to exceed the capacity of the heat pump. At some point; speaking in practical terms, the heat pump becomes essentially worthless. You need either a bigger heat pump or you need more insulation to stop the loss --- both of which cost money and can't be obtained/installed immediately.

Re:You and the planet need a heat pump by Siecje on Monday March 21, 2022 @07:15AM (#30752654)
When the heat pump can't keep up you use resistance heating in the air handler. Since this only runs for a short period of time it doesn't make a big difference in cost.