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Re:NYC allows citizens to report idling vehicles in exchange... by wolverine876 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @02:35AM (#30740631)
> Electric vehicles would completely get rid of this problem.

If the truck is 'idling' with the electricity flowing from its batteries, the pollution and climate impact is just dislocated in space and time to the power plant when the truck is charging.

If the truck is off, then there is no problem, but now ICE motors also can automatically turn off and on.

Re:NYC allows citizens to report idling vehicles in exchange... by mometsi on Sunday March 20, 2022 @03:06AM (#30740769)
'Just' dislocating the pollution away from a dense city block at street level, where people live and work, to a power plant where emissions have less human impact and can be addressed more effectively, sounds great.

Trash collection just dislocates rotting food scraps and garbage from city streets to a landfill. I think it's an acceptable arrangement!

Re:NYC allows citizens to report idling vehicles in exchange... by wolverine876 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @07:24PM (#30747883)
Trash is not a meaningful analogy, for obvious reasons. I agree there are some benefits to dislocation to the power plant, but nearly enough nor as many as just turning off the engine.
Re:NYC allows citizens to report idling vehicles in exchange... by seanmcdirmid on Sunday March 20, 2022 @03:22AM (#30740820)
Keeping a battery or even a cab warm doesn’t require so much electricity. Also, it depends on how the electricity is generated (hydro, nuclear, coal with much better scrubbers than a small ICE). Even let’s say the electricity is generated by coal without decent scrubbers (something not allowed in the USA at least, but let’s pretend we are in Mongolia): the coal plant is still way outside of the city (in this case, Ulan Bator).

I assume the vehicles are idling to keep the heater on, or the engine warm. Also, it seems like diesel is different from unleaded gasoline in terms of what engines can do or not.

Re:NYC allows citizens to report idling vehicles in exchange... by wolverine876 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @07:25PM (#30747890)
People are focusing only on air quality, but climate change is obviously a critical issue.
Re:NYC allows citizens to report idling vehicles in exchange... by kortex on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:56AM (#30743128)
> the pollution and climate impact is just dislocated in space and time to the power plant when the truck is charging.

Isn't that the major point (aside from get the heck out of the way) of these anti-idling laws? Reduce the localized noise and air pollution.

Also NYS gets a ton of electricity from carbon-free sources.

Re:NYC allows citizens to report idling vehicles in exchange... by wolverine876 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @07:25PM (#30747895)
The laws also reduce climate change impact, which is critical.
Re:NYC allows citizens to report idling vehicles in exchange... by abraae on Sunday March 20, 2022 @02:43AM (#30740667)
Eh? If an EV is idling then there's no "electricity flowing from its batteries".
Re:NYC allows citizens to report idling vehicles in exchange... by wolverine876 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @02:44AM (#30740673)
What does "idling" mean for the EV? Also, people often idle in order to use power, such as for heat, AC, the refrigerator in the back, etc.
Re:NYC allows citizens to report idling vehicles in exchange... by _nalply on Sunday March 20, 2022 @02:56AM (#30740726)
When idling an internal combustion engine burns fuel just for not stopping. This needlessly wastes fuel, causes CO2 emissions, stinks and spreads unhealthy soot blackening lungs and walls of nearby people and houses.

An EV engine just stands still. If people use power, they draw that from the battieres, however this energy is not wasted but employed for something useful.

Re:NYC allows citizens to report idling vehicles in exchange... by wolverine876 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @07:28PM (#30747916)
> an internal combustion engine burns fuel just for not stopping

True, if it's idling, but many (most? all new?) ICEs now automatically stop when the car stops.