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Re:Jailed baby gene scientist ‘should be made responsible’ f... by causality0 on Saturday March 19, 2022 @07:21PM (#30738464)
Yes, my thought exactly. A huge number of things are perfectly legal to do to children that are much, much worse than possibly screwing up an embryo while trying not to. You can get pregnant in your forties by a man in his seventies, drink and smoke while you're pregnant, and after giving birth have part of the child's genitals surgically removed and have their ears pierced. Why is trying to improve their genome where we draw the line?
Re:Jailed baby gene scientist ‘should be made responsible’ f... by posnet on Saturday March 19, 2022 @07:40PM (#30738586)
Because for a lot of people, germline editing is the genie in the bottle.

Specifically once it becomes accepted for morally justifiable things, like curing horrible genetic diseases, it will quickly start being used to alter non life threatening things.

And we will quickly find ourselves in a world where parents are able to alter the future children's height, intelligence, muscle mass, sex, race, sexual preference (These are purposefully extreme examples that are likely many decades away from being possible). But in terms of why there is moral outrage, those are the sorts of things people are concerned about.

I would say that from the reading I have done, the concern that it might be done improperly and accidentally cause negative mutations harming the child is more of a practical one (we don't understand the genetic processes well enough to perform the editing safely yet), rather than the moral one outlined above.

Re:Jailed baby gene scientist ‘should be made responsible’ f... by hkt on Saturday March 19, 2022 @07:41PM (#30738587)
Because of the law on unintended consequences, not to mention the Rubicon that will be crossed when the rich start editing further advantages into the genes of their (already hyper privileged) kids.

It is a recipe for a medical or social disaster. Perhaps both.

Re:Jailed baby gene scientist ‘should be made responsible’ f... by causality0 on Saturday March 19, 2022 @11:46PM (#30739891)
The same argument holds for every technological advance. "Why build the world wide web when only the rich can afford home computers" and "why develop electric cars when only the rich can afford them". We live in a capitalistic society and therefore almost every advance will be available to the wealthy before it's available to the rest of us. That's not a good thing but it's also not a reason to stop improving ourselves. I would rather give the one percent another advantage than sit here smug in my knowledge that hey, millions of children might suffer needlessly from type 1 diabetes or cystic fibrosis but at least Donald Trump the fourth has to pay somebody to take his exams for him instead of using his artificial eidetic memory.
Re:Jailed baby gene scientist ‘should be made responsible’ f... by maximus-decimus on Sunday March 20, 2022 @02:32PM (#30745267)
I wonder if the problem is this breaks the American dream. Americans see themselves as potential future bilionaires and they tell themselves they're just as capable as the rich, but if the rich become genetically superior, it creates a gap that clearly can't be overcome.
Re:Jailed baby gene scientist ‘should be made responsible’ f... by causality0 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @02:39PM (#30745324)
This already exists. The rich are less stressed and happier. They have absurd nepotism and social connections. They don't die of curable diseases or from lack of treatment. Their children are better educated and less traumatized growing up. Of all the advantages the rich have, genetic modification is one that could be reduced in price enough for the middle class to afford.
Re:Jailed baby gene scientist ‘should be made responsible’ f... by hkt on Sunday March 20, 2022 @04:21PM (#30746228)
Conflating giving somebody an "upgrade" with preventing disease is fairly disingenuous.

So is suggesting something you can acquire through work (owning a computer) is comparable to something you must be born to. They're not the same.

Re:Jailed baby gene scientist ‘should be made responsible’ f... by causality0 on Monday March 21, 2022 @08:57PM (#30761672)
What does and does not constitute a disease is relative. Mental infirmity is a disease. Aging is a disease. Death is a disease. We participate in the comforting delusion that because these things have never been challenged before that somehow makes them less horrifying. Screw that.
Re:Jailed baby gene scientist ‘should be made responsible’ f... by dragonwriter on Monday March 21, 2022 @08:59PM (#30761682)
> Death is a disease.

Death may be a consequence of disease (among other causes), but it is not a disease.

Re:Jailed baby gene scientist ‘should be made responsible’ f... by fartcannon on Saturday March 19, 2022 @07:38PM (#30738571)
So, because some people treat babies and children badly, no one should question the ethics or consider the ramifications of gene manipulation?

Seems like a stretch.

Re:Jailed baby gene scientist ‘should be made responsible’ f... by lotu on Saturday March 19, 2022 @07:44PM (#30738610)
That is a total straw man. The argument is that as a society we permit people to do lots of things to their children that have far greater ramifications that this gene editing. It is there for inconsistent to get upset about gene editing but not these other things.
Re:Jailed baby gene scientist ‘should be made responsible’ f... by borklanm8 on Saturday March 19, 2022 @08:33PM (#30738855)
It doesn't matter if it's inconsistent. If "lots of things" are immoral but permitted, and gene editing is also immoral, the correct conclusion is that all of them should be prevented.

If the opposite is true - that if "lots of things" are immoral but permitted, things that are equally or less immoral should also be permitted - then you're arguing for more forms of child abuse to be legalized, in the name of "consistency".

Re:Jailed baby gene scientist ‘should be made responsible’ f... by fartcannon on Sunday March 20, 2022 @09:56AM (#30742613)
No. It is not inconsistent to get upset about any individual thing we do to children.

So gene therapy? Let's consider the consequences. Everything else? Let's also consider the consequences.

Re:Jailed baby gene scientist ‘should be made responsible’ f... by ls612 on Saturday March 19, 2022 @07:45PM (#30738614)
If people generally think X is worse than Y and X is legal then saying Y should be illegal is hypocritical to say the least.