Re:Mariupol's devastation: AP journalists document war's toll
by dragonwriter on Friday March 18, 2022 @06:01PM
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The problem with the jets is that everyone involved thinks that they are a bad idea whose military utility isn't worth the degree of provocation no matter what route they are supplies through, but no one wanting to be the country to say no to Ukraine about it; all the maneuvering was about countries making it so someone else would have to be the one to say no.
The US finally said no to the specific plan, and put forth the general rationale for the more general no when it did so.
(OTOH, the tolerance for acts that might be seen as provocation by Russia among NATO countries—at least those on the Eastern flank—is going up rapidly, with Estonia and Lithuania calling for a NATO-enforces No Fly Zone, and Poland hold-my-beering them and calling for a NATO peacekeeping force in Ukraine.)
Re:Mariupol's devastation: AP journalists document war's toll
by rasz on Friday March 18, 2022 @10:54PM
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Except US was the initiator of the whole idea with Blinken doing press rounds for over a week telling everyone how he negotiated this deal with Polish gov.
The US finally said no to the specific plan, and put forth the general rationale for the more general no when it did so.
(OTOH, the tolerance for acts that might be seen as provocation by Russia among NATO countries—at least those on the Eastern flank—is going up rapidly, with Estonia and Lithuania calling for a NATO-enforces No Fly Zone, and Poland hold-my-beering them and calling for a NATO peacekeeping force in Ukraine.)