Re:Ask HN: Anyone have stock option horror stories?
by uranium on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @10:49PM
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Folks here are likely talking about employee stock options [NSOs and ISOs]. They've each got their pitfalls, but generally if you exercise them, you immediately owe tax [or AMT, depending--talk to an accountant first!] on the difference between your strike price and the current fair market value. If your employer's public, you know what that value is and can generally sell to cover your taxes. If your employer is private, you need to find out what the FMV is from your employer, and you still owe tax on it [if there's a gain], but you likely have no way of selling to pay the taxes.
Re:Ask HN: Anyone have stock option horror stories?
by cl42 on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @11:50PM
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Gotcha! That makes sense re: HN... Not sure why I assumed calls/puts, tbh.
Re:Ask HN: Anyone have stock option horror stories?
by WalterBright on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @10:47PM
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They were employee stock options, not call/put ones. And yes, he had no idea he would owe tax on money he never had.
His tax bill was way more than his net worth.
Re:Ask HN: Anyone have stock option horror stories?
by exillustra on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @11:40PM
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I believe there were Illustra engineers who exercised options
shortly after the Informix acquisition at the end of 1995 (at $36/share)
but either couldn't immediately sell shares or choose not to
thinking the stock value would go up. They owed taxes on their
gains (about $30/share) but shortly thereafter the stock crashed
leaving the shares worth less then the taxes owed. The stock only
continued to decline in value after Informix restated earnings and
the extent of their channel stuffing became known.
https://www.edn.com/toxic-accounting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informix_Corporation#Phil_Whit...
I'm not a lawyer or accountant so if I'm wrong, happy to learn. :)
[1] https://www.investopedia.com/articles/active-trading/053115/...