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Re:Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees by DoingIsLearning on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @07:54AM (#30697661)
No, this looks at Europeans with Rose tinted glasses.

I think there is innate tribalism in all of us. We can all rationally fight it and we rationally know what is morally the right thing to do. But it is in our core psychology to look for similarities/differences and identify as close/distance to other people.

The Ukrainian government has also made an amazing job at galvanizing EU social media around this. The message is clear, it is us, your european brothers and sisters who are suffering right now, please help.

In many ways the Ukrainians have succeeded in an information war where the Georgians, Armenians, Sirians, Yemenis have been unfortunately less successful.

Re:Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees by belorn on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @10:31AM (#30699287)
In the speeches and statements I have seen, there are a few differences. When addressing the European leaders, the Ukrainian leader speaks English without an interpreter. In addition there aren't any non-christian religious symbols in the image or speech, and when it comes to cultural symbols it is almost exclusively in terms of European union.

I have read/listen to a bit of research when it comes to diplomacy and tensions between nations, and a common theme is that its the small things that tend to have a large impact on kinship, trust and cooperation.

Re:Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees by galfarragem on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @08:59AM (#30698203)
> In many ways the Ukrainians have succeeded in an information war where the Georgians, Armenians, Sirians, Yemenis have been unfortunately less successful.

Ukrainian government is killing it on the "media war" and certainly a case study for the future. It certainly helps that the President is a comedian by trade and backed by producers and screenwriters - they know exactly what people want to ear/see/read. Of course this has also a (huge) negative side but this is another story. Some stuff that makes sense in a movie, doesn't make sense on real life. Scenarios and deaths are real.

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Re:Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees by koonsolo on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @09:05AM (#30698261)
Lots of EU and NATO countries are post-soviet. The difference is only 1 or 2 generations away.

When you have an incompatible religion, it's not generations away, when those generations hold on to that religion. That is the difference between Europeans with an older mentality, and people coming from a religion that doesn't share European values.

Re:Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees by eldaisfish on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @09:49AM (#30698788)
>When you have an incompatible religion

That is a BIG generalisation and assumes there is a compatible religion. This is why Ukrainian propaganda is so dangerous. Poland and Hungary still have massive problems with LGBT rights and general tolerance. All signs point to the fact that Ukraine will be similar if not worse.

Re:Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees by koonsolo on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @11:27AM (#30699992)
> assumes there is a compatible religion

Of course there is a compatible religion: Take buddhism for example.

I agree that Poland and Hungary have problems with LGBT rights, but like I said, that is the 1 or 2 generational gap. Ukraine might indeed have that same problem. But give it a generation or 2.

My wife is from Slovakia, and also there you can see the difference between mentality. Newer generations are more tolerant.

Re:Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees by krageon on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @09:36AM (#30698619)
> European values

Which ones would those be?

Re:Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees by koonsolo on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @09:47AM (#30698763)
- law above religion

- equality

- democracy

- Separation of powers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers)

- ...

See for official EU value: https://ec.europa.eu/component-library/eu/about/eu-values/

Re:Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees by eldaisfish on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @09:52AM (#30698817)
are you confident in claiming that many areas of Poland, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania etc share in all of these values?

The crux of the problem here is that people are searching for reasons to justify actions that are rooted in racism. That is how you end up with vague discussions about feelings, incompatible cultures, "values" and so on.

Re:Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees by krageon on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @09:52AM (#30698821)
> law above religion

When the laws come about as functions of entrenched religious thinking, one is not above the other. This value is also not listed on the page you link.

> equality

Clearly not, as not all refugees are equal.

> Democracy

You've got me there.

Many of the listed values are there for PR purposes: The practicalities of daily living are different or in some aspects even very different.

Re:Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees by koonsolo on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @10:03AM (#30698971)
> one is not above the other

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state Take a good look at which countries are not part of that list. You cannot have freedom of religion without it.

> Clearly not, as not all refugees are equal.

The process seems equal to me: https://www.cgrs.be/en/international-protection/refugee-stat....

Re:Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees by blub on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @09:29AM (#30698537)
You’re not wrong about Ukraine, but they’re still a lot more European than Syria will ever be and that matters a lot.

Still, I also find it ridiculous how the media’s making them look like immaculate heroes. Power of propaganda I guess.

Re:Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees by galfarragem on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @10:22AM (#30699175)
All media is biased. Some more, some less, but being unbiased is impossible by definition. Autocratic media is biased in a compulsory way. The problem is when Democratic media becomes activist and start to sell opinions as facts (they learnt that drama and toxicity sells), becoming unshamefully biased and almost matching its counterpart. I'm not sure this is helping at all Ukraine or the world.
Re:Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees by rosndo on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @09:29AM (#30698536)
You have to drive very far to the west from Kiev before you start seeing nicer, wealthier cities.
Re:Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees by axiosgunnar on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @09:59AM (#30698917)
Hilarious, one nation is fighting an existential threat, and this dude blabbers out a sentence containing the words

> Ukrainian propaganda

Unimaginable