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Re:CIA black site detainee served as training prop to teach ... by arcbyte on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @01:37PM (#30688328)
There was an opportunity for Obama to have a much more effective and bipartisan presidency early on. It wouldn't have been a friendly relationship, but certainly a more effective government. He rammed Obamacare through Congress very early in his presidency and that pretty much removed his ability to do anything else in his first term.
Re:CIA black site detainee served as training prop to teach ... by dhosek on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @04:22PM (#30691058)
There was good faith negotiation about the plan. It was very close to what the Republican plan was. The problem was that Mitch McConnell stated publicly that he was going to block everything that Obama did. The Republicans blocked stimulus funding. To claim that the failure of bipartisanship was Obama's is to ignore the facts as stated by the Republicans at the time.
Re:CIA black site detainee served as training prop to teach ... by NoGravitas on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @08:42AM (#30698032)
Not to mention, it was a Republican plan in the first place - it was what Mitt Romney implemented in Massachusetts.
Re:CIA black site detainee served as training prop to teach ... by Loughla on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @01:44PM (#30688409)
That doesn't really answer my question.

Also, and I'm really not trying to be snarky, that statement sounds like something the child of abusive parents would say. If only Obama had been quiet, they would've left him alone. That's a no-win situation, I think.

Either way, it didn't really answer my questions.

Re:CIA black site detainee served as training prop to teach ... by arcbyte on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @02:46PM (#30689283)
I'm answering your question by suggesting that Obama could have gotten much more done if he had not been so extremely partisan from day 1. When it became clear he was not going to negotiate any changes to the monumental Obamacare law and pass it through on a partisan vote, the only natural response for Republicans seeking to effect their own policy agenda was to block as much as possible. In effect Obama, rather than choosing a 90/10 or 80/20 ratio of democrat to republican polciies to be passed, said there was no point in allowing any republican policies through. And so the only natural response was for Republicans, as the minority, to respond in kind until the next election.

A more mathematical explanation would be that if every law was 80% Democrat policy and you were able to pass 100 policies a term, you could get 80 of your policies through in a single term. You might think getting 100% of every policy in a bill would be better but that might mean you only get to pass 50 policies a term because of increased partisan tensions. Even at 100% that's only 50 Democrat policies instead of 80.

By allowing some compromise you can achieve more.

Re:CIA black site detainee served as training prop to teach ... by dhosek on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @04:25PM (#30691105)
I'm sorry, but you're ignoring the actual things that happened. There were good faith negotiations with the Republicans about Obamacare and post-crash stimulus and the Republicans chose to unanimously vote against them because they saw a partisan advantage to doing so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc

Re:CIA black site detainee served as training prop to teach ... by arcbyte on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @08:15AM (#30697812)
I'm not ignoring anything. Obama was successful in his first year, in part because of how much effort he put into being bipartisan. He did not have much success in getting Republicans to vote for his massive landmark policies, but his Supreme Court nominee sailed through confirmation.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/73971-obamas-fir...

Generally, Republicans were very engaged in solving problems in the first year, but faced the reality of a democrat supermajority. Obama made many concessions in the bills he passed despite not getting many Republicans to vote.

There's nothing inconsistent there with a contentious but effective government. Sure it would be nice to have gotten more Republicans to vote yes, but the process was working.

After he passed Obamacare, in which he abandoned all negotiations with Republicans and flexed his supermajority power, the only appropriate response was stonewalling.

It's happening again too. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/are-democrats-just-r...