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Re:New WebKit features in Safari 15.4 by tarsinge on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @06:12AM (#30683529)
> Safari remains the "new IE", the problem browser for which developers must find workarounds.

More like the non-Chrome browser for which Chrome developers must find workarounds. I can't remember encountering a Safari specific problem in the tens of websites I have developed in the last years. Now sure I understand the pain if you are developing web apps instead, but in that case maybe it's time to assume Chrome is an app platform (OS ?) and not just a browser, and simply only target that platform and don't try to shoehorn the web into it?

Re:New WebKit features in Safari 15.4 by agust on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @08:31AM (#30684466)
Sure, simple websites mostly work in Safari. But we're in 2022, and indeed a lot of companies develop web apps, and not simple websites like 20 years ago.

The web itself is an app platform. The only browser preventing it to happen on mobile is Safari. Have a look at the desktop. There, web apps have replaced most native apps long ago.

Re:New WebKit features in Safari 15.4 by tarsinge on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @10:12AM (#30685526)
That's not in contradiction with what I said. I have nothing against web apps and I'm not arguing against their success. But they don't make the web irrelevant, they are just something different, just historically built on top of the web.

And indeed when we have a look at the desktop it further proves the point, Electron apps ship their whole execution platform, basically an OS inside an OS, and it's Chrome. So the divorce between Chrome the app platform and the web has already started. Safari is a blessing for me because it force that issue to crop up and be discussed, instead of just letting the web slowly become the Google platform.

Re:New WebKit features in Safari 15.4 by dmitriid on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @08:33AM (#30684478)
> The web itself is an app platform.

It's not. And frankly will never be.

> The only browser preventing it to happen on mobile is Safari.

It's not preventing anything

> look at the desktop. There, web apps have replaced most native apps long ago.

What a strange fantasy world you live in.

Re:New WebKit features in Safari 15.4 by agust on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @09:16AM (#30684824)
Very convincing, thank you for this well argued response.
Re:New WebKit features in Safari 15.4 by dmitriid on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @12:08PM (#30687074)
It's in the vein of your statements, and it takes too much time to explain why this is wrong. And this has been said many times before by many people far more eloquent and knowledgable than I. Yet this sentiment persists (even if it's driven by emotion on the one hand and relentless Chrome propaganda on the other).
Re:New WebKit features in Safari 15.4 by mccorrinall on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @08:27PM (#30693746)
I use a lot of web applications like tradingview.com and need web push notifications. Safari still does not support them and it’s so annoying.
Re:New WebKit features in Safari 15.4 by inopinatus on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @05:48PM (#30704567)
All your assumptions are wrong: I hack on lightweight framework code, and my primary development browser is Firefox.