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Re:New WebKit features in Safari 15.4 by CharlesW on Monday March 14, 2022 @08:13PM (#30680196)
> Apple likes to trot out Facebook as a privacy boogeyman when it comes to defending their App Store business model, but when their business model necessitates that Facebook has invasive native apps, suddenly they're silent.

Are you joking? https://www.macrumors.com/2022/02/03/facebook-10-billion-in-...

Re:New WebKit features in Safari 15.4 by heavyset_go on Monday March 14, 2022 @09:06PM (#30680620)
Exactly my point, they'll trot Facebook out as a defense of their App Store model just like they did here. PWAs from the beginning would have prevented Facebook from collecting data for the last decade in the first place, but that's not a solution Apple would allow.
Re:New WebKit features in Safari 15.4 by comex on Monday March 14, 2022 @09:37PM (#30680814)
True, a PWA wouldn’t have been able to get the unique device ID, which is (I think) the only technical effect of the App Tracking Transparency toggle added last year. But that toggle also has legal effects that go further [1]. For instance, apps can’t “[display] targeted advertisements in your app based on user data collected from apps and websites owned by other companies”, even that data was correlated with your app session based on, say, account name or email address rather than device IDs. But the only reason Apple is in a position to impose this kind of requirement is that they’re a gatekeeper for iOS apps. With web apps, short of government action, the best you can do ask nicely, and we all know how the Do Not Track header ended up.

[1] https://developer.apple.com/app-store/user-privacy-and-data-..., “Asking Permission to Track”

Re:New WebKit features in Safari 15.4 by blacklivsmatr on Monday March 14, 2022 @09:59PM (#30680946)
With a web-app, you can write an extension. With native, no such luck.

https://www.fbpurity.com/

Re:New WebKit features in Safari 15.4 by CharlesW on Monday March 14, 2022 @10:06PM (#30680972)
> Exactly my point, they'll trot Facebook out as a defense of their App Store model just like they did here

I don't understand why that's unexpected when a core idea of the App Store model is that Apple can better protect its customers against bad actors.

> PWAs from the beginning would have prevented Facebook from collecting data for the last decade in the first place…

I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. My assumption is that a rounding error's percentage of Facebook users choose the PWA over the native app on platforms which support both, like Android. If you have actual data on this, I'd appreciate hearing about it.

Re:New WebKit features in Safari 15.4 by zamadatix on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @12:02AM (#30681538)
The claim is expected it's just being called out as false basis with explanation of why after your quoted section.

I don't really see how % of users plays into it. I mean it's great the App Store is finally on board with being more strict on blocking user tracking after a decade of business but as long as more than 0 wanted to fix it before and couldn't because of the PWA and/or app sources policies then then policy around not-allowing those is based on protecting the App Store regardless how often privacy is brought up as the reason.

I mean it's great they protect it for the customers that fall towards the default option now don't get me wrong but while nice that doesn't really have anything to do with why all users were forced through the App Store before or after the policy change.