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Re:Firefox removed Yandex search option by smt88 on Monday March 14, 2022 @01:11PM (#30675042)
I don't think it's controversial that Putin deserves to be ousted by a foreign military as much as anyone. He's certainly much more powerful and dangerous than Stalin or Hitler because he can unilaterally end human life on earth at any moment of any day.

> Install anyone else that's not insane, say Navalny.

Well, we definitely couldn't install anyone. We'd have to administrate an open election.

> I read they have 50% of their total combat brigades in Ukraine now.

This is a pretty antiquated assessment of military power. Boots on the ground show only that Russia wants to take Ukraine rather than completely destroy it. They can level the entire country with tactical nukes if they want.

> Installing a leader that is open to integrating with the west, along with India, we could encircle China and force them into peaceful deescalation.

I think it's more likely that we'd make China very dangerous and hostile, and we'd also re-open the world to the possibility of foreign regime change.

If we can decapitate Russia, why couldn't someone say, "Hey, this Biden guy stole the election, we should murder him for the good of the American people!"

Biden didn't steal the election, but I think you see where I'm going with it.

Re:Firefox removed Yandex search option by mistrial9 on Monday March 14, 2022 @01:34PM (#30675359)
from my understanding of the development of the international oil trade in the 20th century, one of the key advancements by multinational oil in the West was to learn lessons from the British, and do two important things on foreign soil: always back a leader that can hold on with local support; always pay the Nationalist/Military oil interests very well, in addition to making trade rights built-in.

Unfortunately, it seems that the "wild west" behavior of the USA in South America, in the wake of the brutal Spanish conquest long ago, made some enemies (that have oil) that are not easy to talk to now.

Re:Firefox removed Yandex search option by sarma912 on Monday March 14, 2022 @04:32PM (#30677865)
Do you have a good book rec around British oil and lessons learnt?
Re:Firefox removed Yandex search option by BlueTemplar on Monday March 14, 2022 @06:11PM (#30679115)
Oil, Power, and War : A Dark History should be close enough ?

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42527868-oil-power-and-w...

Re:Firefox removed Yandex search option by waffleiron on Monday March 14, 2022 @05:02PM (#30678264)
>He's certainly much more powerful and dangerous than Stalin or Hitler because he can unilaterally end human life on earth at any moment of any day.

This is Biden too. Literally can unilaterally start a nuclear war.

Re:Firefox removed Yandex search option by smt88 on Monday March 14, 2022 @06:52PM (#30679570)
> This is Biden too. Literally can unilaterally start a nuclear war.

So what? What does that have to do with anything?

Biden has never threatened nuclear war and has nothing to gain from it. Putin has threatened it repeatedly in the last few weeks.

Biden is more powerful than Putin, Stalin, or Hitler, but he is not as dangerous.

Re:Firefox removed Yandex search option by waffleiron on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @04:29AM (#30682894)
>So what? What does that have to do with anything?

Because my reply was to:

>much more powerful and dangerous than Stalin or Hitler because

Note the "because", the exact same argument stands for Biden, but we wouldn't argue he's more powerful and dangerous than Stalin or Hitler. I was pointing out the weakness in the "because".

Re:Firefox removed Yandex search option by lmm on Monday March 14, 2022 @09:56PM (#30680925)
Biden frequently misspeaks or gets confused, and refuses to take dementia tests, so if he really can unilaterally launch then I'd actually be pretty worried about that.

(I think there are other people in the loop in the case of the US president though? Personally I've always been most worried about the Royal Navy's submarine captains, who really do have the ability to launch unilaterally in a very direct way)

Re:Firefox removed Yandex search option by dTal on Monday March 14, 2022 @05:50PM (#30678881)
True, it's an extremely dangerous situation for nuclear weapons to exist at all.

Biden, however, has not threatened to use them. Nor does he rule over his subordinates on pain of extrajudicial murder, so there's a few checks and balances there. Alas the same cannot be said for Putin.

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Re:Firefox removed Yandex search option by xtian on Monday March 14, 2022 @04:09PM (#30677570)
You probably won’t take this advice, but you should really start making peace with the fact that the US is completely incapable of accomplishing any of these warped fantasies of yours.

The vast majority of the world is celebrating the self-evident decline of US-centric unipolarity. But those of us who live here have some hard years ahead.

Re:Firefox removed Yandex search option by kelnos on Monday March 14, 2022 @04:24PM (#30677782)
That's the thing. Even if we were to suggest that the parent's ideas had merit (big "if"), it's pretty laughable to think that the US is capable of doing this properly. Looking back, it's hard to find American successes in this sort of meddling, all the way back to WWII.
Re:Firefox removed Yandex search option by xtian on Monday March 14, 2022 @06:48PM (#30679536)
True, and the US didn’t even properly defeat the Nazis (see, for instance: Adolf Heusinger, Operation Paperclip, and the many Nazis who happened to find themselves in positions of power in West Germany).
Re:Firefox removed Yandex search option by dhdjjd on Monday March 14, 2022 @05:05PM (#30678302)
Thanks god Russia has nukes, otherwise American liberators would have already liberated us. (I don't justify Ukrainian conflict, it's another issue).
Re:Firefox removed Yandex search option by dTal on Monday March 14, 2022 @05:54PM (#30678928)
You do seem to be having some difficulty liberating yourselves.
Re:Firefox removed Yandex search option by dhdjjd on Monday March 14, 2022 @06:21PM (#30679222)
Living without free press is better than being dead. And it doesn't matter to me whether good or bad guys kill me.
Re:Firefox removed Yandex search option by BuckRogers on Monday March 14, 2022 @06:56PM (#30679607)
I don't believe in liberating anyone from authoritarianism that doesn't want to have a free and democratic system. That's why mideast liberation hasn't worked. No one was asking. The Russians want a better life, just ask the ones that come here to study, find mates, and never go back. I know plenty of them from my university, happily married to whoever from wherever, and residing in the US or Canada, working and living peacefully as contributors to society. Russians are quite intelligent people too.

The Russians are probably the least likely to want liberating from what I've seen of all Europeans, but I do think a plurality of Russians would want this. Which justifies it. That said, without this invasion of Ukraine and the danger I feel it presents to my homeland (the US), I wouldn't even be bringing this up. The Russian Federation would be on their own. It's just that the leadership over there is now a danger to everyone else.

Re:Firefox removed Yandex search option by dTal on Monday March 14, 2022 @06:35PM (#30679398)
Well I think in an ideal world "liberating" would not involve mass murder of the "liberated" population. I am aware that this is a historical weak spot.

Even still - I don't see a problem with countries rescuing other countries from despotism, in principle. I eagerly include my own country in this - if a Putin-like figure arose and I was not permitted to speak out or face death, it would comfort me to know that help was coming. The terror of an oppressive regime is its inescapability.

Re:Firefox removed Yandex search option by dhdjjd on Monday March 14, 2022 @06:47PM (#30679527)
Today is just a large prisoner's dilemma/tragedy of commons.
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Re:Firefox removed Yandex search option by BuckRogers on Monday March 14, 2022 @06:59PM (#30679636)
The ideas have to be out there or they'll never get traction. We have major influence recently. The path of the world was changed dramatically with the election of Biden over Trump. I can't imagine how emboldened Putin would be had Trump won. I realize others say everyone was scared of the rich man's son, but I don't see it. He withheld 400 million in military aid from Ukraine, says it all as far as the path we'd be down.
Re:Firefox removed Yandex search option by xtian on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @11:21AM (#30686412)
I’m sure Putin is really afraid of the guy who can barely get a coherent sentence out. Trump reportedly wanted to exit NATO, which would have avoided this conflict altogether.
Re:Firefox removed Yandex search option by _-david-_ on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @12:18PM (#30687191)
>I can't imagine how emboldened Putin would be had Trump won

I am a bit confused. It seems like Putin was not emboldened when Trump was president. Why do you think his second term would have been different?

Putin attacked Georgia when Bush was president. Putin attacked Ukraine when Obama was president. Putin attack Ukraine when Biden was president.

The only US president in the last 20 years that was in power when Putin didn't attack a neighboring country was Trump.