Re:In birdsong, scientists find some parallels with human sp...
by circlefavshape on Monday March 14, 2022 @08:12AM
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Any progress in establish whether the song is, in fact, language?
Re:In birdsong, scientists find some parallels with human sp...
by xoserr on Monday March 14, 2022 @01:19PM
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I remember walking early morning last summer, listening to the birds and thinking how absurd it is to believe this isn't a type of language.
I guess it would depend on what is considered the minimum constraints to be considered a language.
Re:In birdsong, scientists find some parallels with human sp...
by ChaitanyaSai on Monday March 14, 2022 @08:52AM
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ML techniques are leading to some interesting work in determining this. Here's one such example https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/jo... Female zebra finches do not sing, only males do. I'd imagine that if bird song is high on communication, it would be seen in both sexes (and there are song birds where females sing, but not studied as much as far as I know.) tldr: still unclear, but new techniques give us hope we can answer
Re:In birdsong, scientists find some parallels with human sp...
by ericbarrett on Monday March 14, 2022 @03:40PM
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I wouldn't be so quick to write off birdsong as speech based on this one species—given the dramatic variability in form, behavior, and habitat across the animal kingdom, a particular family of birds where the males don't "talk" wouldn't surprise me at all.
Re:In birdsong, scientists find some parallels with human sp...
by ChaitanyaSai on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @02:53AM
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Absolutely. Agree there's a lot of variability. Only pointing out that in species where only males or only females croon, it may be unlikely there is broadspectrum communication happening.
(We discuss songbirds and the importance of sequence building/remembering for language in our recent book. Here's a review: https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/ogi-ogas/journey-... )