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Re:A new history of Byzantium reveals the inner workings of ... by teleforce on Monday March 14, 2022 @12:42AM (#30668590)
Fun facts, do you know that the fall of Roman Byzantine Empire is prophesized in a reputable Islamic tradition? According to the tradition, the general who conquered Constantinople is the best general ever and eventually the title is held by the Sultan Muhammad Al-Fatih. Also the fact that one of the first missions to conquer Constantinople is joined by Abu Ayyub al-Ansari, the claimed sahabah (friend) of prophet Muhammad that hosted him when he migrated to Madinah due to the hostility of his tribes in Mecca. Legend has it Abu Ayyub (at the old age of 90s) died just outside the great wall of Constanstinople during the unsuccesful tour.

Please stop the nonsense that the western world single handedly saved the Greek knowledge. Actually the Muslim scholars that performed most of the scavenging and translations to Arabic in addition to other significant knowledge contributions that later found their way to dark ages Europe, igniting their Renaissance as we know it. They did it because of the importance of knowledge and the fact that translation works are handsomely rewarded by the Caliphs with gold equivalent in book's weight. These massive Greek to Arabic translations and on top of that the more important new knowledge contributions (e.g. Khawarizmi, Avicenna, Averroes) works later found their way to Europe after the fall of Muslim Spain empire starting with the fall of Toledo (the knowledge and translation center) in the 11th CE. Most the Greek books and knowledge were lost by the literally burning of the books and libraries (e.g Alexandria library) by the later Roman Emperors.

Re:A new history of Byzantium reveals the inner workings of ... by honkdaddy on Monday March 14, 2022 @01:00AM (#30668673)
I think they specifically said “helped”, you’re the one that said single-handedly. I didn’t think any of what he said was nonsense, I found it pretty fascinating, as I did yours. I doubt they meant anything inflammatory by it.
Re:A new history of Byzantium reveals the inner workings of ... by teleforce on Monday March 14, 2022 @02:47AM (#30669206)
Is this statement make sense to you, "large set of manuscripts were brought by the great Plethon to Cosimo d’Medici. Marsilio Ficino’s translation of Greek classics into Latin—like the complete works of Plato and the Hermetica". This is just one single guy compared to the two Muslim empires that thrived on the Greek and other civilizations knowledge that really contributed to the Renaissance movement.

Plethon lived during 14th and 15th century before the fall of Byzantine empire and if you want to credit one guy it should be Averroes (Ibnu Rush) who lived in the 12th century, at least two centuries before Plethon. He was highly regarded by the western scholar as the next Philosopher after Aristotle but not so much in the muslim world. He definitely has access to the Greek works including by Plato and Aristotle. I would say his many translations, commentaries and original works of more than 100 books were instrumentals in re-awakening the western European interest in Greek thinkers, an area of study that widely has been abandoned after the fall of original Roman Empire (not Byzantine) [1]. These do not include the numerous Greek, Chinese and Indian translations, and further contributions of Abbasid empire's scholars (Averroes belongs to the Muslim Spain empire) that includes the well-known House of Wisdoms but later was burnt down in the 13th CE by the Mongols. It's said that the river in Baghdad turn into blue due to the inks of the disposed books. Some of the books managed to escape the utter destructions from copying and circulations in the Muslim Spain and other part of the Abbasid empire that really helped the Renaissance movement later on.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averroes

Re:A new history of Byzantium reveals the inner workings of ... by dr_dshiv on Monday March 14, 2022 @03:37AM (#30669464)
Among those who really made a difference, check out the Brethren of Purity. English translation of their encyclopedia is coming out this year. There is a ton of work needed in Arabic and not enough scholarship.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopedia_of_the_Brethren_o...

But, yeah, I’ll stand up for old Marsilio’s influence any day. The story is amazing.

Re:A new history of Byzantium reveals the inner workings of ... by teleforce on Monday March 14, 2022 @09:35PM (#30680804)
Thanks for the link, didn't know about it before. Amazing how this normal human beings like this one and Averroes can write volumes upon volumes of books and treatises during their lifetime wihout much help from the modern technology and the Internet. I cannot even write a single book so far, probably need to spend less time on HN I guess. Got to love this quote from the Encyclopedia "Turn from the sleep of negligence and the slumber of ignorance, for the world is a house of delusion and tribulations".

Regarding the origin of the Renaissance era please check my other comments on the potential root of the Italian Renaissance movement.