News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Finland starts much-delayed nuclear plant, brings respite... by pfdietz on Sunday March 13, 2022 @07:34AM (#30660336)
It's a very common mistake to think that batteries are to be used to get to a 100% renewable grid.

Hydrogen can be much cheaper for (say) the last 10%, because (1) hydrogen has very low capital cost per unit of storage capacity, and (2) the efficiency hit of going through hydrogen vs. batteries is less important when it's just 10% of the total.

Think of batteries and hydrogen as analogous to cache memory and main memory in a computer. They have different performance and economic characteristics and compensate for each others weak points.

To see this in operation, go to https://model.energy/ and try turning hydrogen off and on in the settings. If you simulate for Germany, for example, turning off hydrogen can double the cost of achieving a certain level of constant grid power. Hydrogen can be particularly valuable for places with large seasonal variation or lots of wind (which has a long timescale component in how it varies.)

I will add that China is already selling electrolysers for < $300/kW, less than half that simulation's 2030 cost assumption.

Re:Finland starts much-delayed nuclear plant, brings respite... by arcticbull on Monday March 14, 2022 @02:50PM (#30676479)
> Hydrogen can be much cheaper for (say) the last 10%, because (1) hydrogen has very low capital cost per unit of storage capacity, and (2) the efficiency hit of going through hydrogen vs. batteries is less important when it's just 10% of the total.

Basically all hydrogen comes from fossil fuels. It's just natural gas with extra steps.

Re:Finland starts much-delayed nuclear plant, brings respite... by pfdietz on Monday March 14, 2022 @03:19PM (#30676918)
That's true right now, but that doesn't mean that hydrogen has to come from fossil fuels in the future (any more than most electrical power coming from fossil fuels right now means that that must also be the case in the future.)

When describing hydrogen for energy storage in a 100% renewable grid, the hydrogen would be produced by electrolysis using renewable energy.