I would say that I found Bitwarden much better than keepass for selfhosted too.

KeePass' UI is quite clunky, but last time I checked you couldn't even do proper keyboard navigation with Bitwarden, or auto-type outside the browser...

I'm not sure I quite understand your comment.

> Keyboard navigation

I use the `bw` command, and haven't had issues with the keyboard.

> auto-type outside the browser.

Is this mobile or desktop that we are talking about here? Mobile worked correctly for me. Integration for all of these password managers on desktop isn't great, and using the fingerprint to unlock, similar to 1Password, would be nice.

I mean the desktop UI, I haven't tried the mobile.

By keyboard navigation I mean basic stuff like using arrow keys, shortcut keys for menus, etc... It all felt very much mouse-centric.

And Auto-type is KeepassXC' global shortcut key to invoke auto-type in any application, even terminal windows. AFAIK most password managers don't even think of supporting this.

Bitwarden has a cli app. With this you can automate everything.

Regarding keyboard navigation in the ui. If your are into that just use the cli and create some helpful scripts for rofi, alfred, ueli or whatever you are using if you want to have a ui.

Bitwarden is so insanely good that this minor downside shouldn't keep you from using it.

My mum is really bad with PCs. Yet bitwarden has solved all her password problems. Especially on mobile. With KeepassXC she was just frustrated.

Are you saying I could for example start an RDP session with autofilled credentials? I just LOVE the Keepass feature CTRL+U with 'URL overrides' to open rdp, ssh, vpn or ftp sessions.

https://keepass.info/help/base/autourl.html

Yes, sure you can do that.

Windows: https://github.com/anonymous1184/bitwarden-autotype

Linux: https://github.com/mattydebie/bitwarden-rofi

OSX: https://github.com/blacs30/bitwarden-alfred-workflow

You can use a lot of different clients for KeePass. I use KeePassXC and Strongbox (highly recommend for iOS or macOS)

I thought other way around: Bitwarden UI is simplistic.

I think it strongly depends on the ecosystem one is in and the usecase. Android support for keepass is pretty solid with keepass2android.

Are you using the official server or vaultwarden? Do you mind getting more into the experience of it?

This is true, I am using Vaultwarden now rather than actual Bitwarden.

In Docker it took seconds to get running. Hardening it took a little longer, but fail2ban was still only 6 lines of config.

I have to try that, the official server wants to spin up a few containers, a MSSQL and needs 2-4GB RAM and 25GB disk space. lol...

This uses sqlite and I see it using about 30Mb.

MSSQL is never the correct answer.

Mssql is good if you need a 1TB+ db and replication and are too lazy to set up postgres replication. And if you can’t afford oracle. ;)