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Re:Ask HN: Neutral DNS servers? by Arnavion on Friday March 11, 2022 @04:16PM (#30646113)
Right, DNSSEC will solve the "manipulate" problem, but it won't solve the "see" problem. But whether that's a concern is up to you. You could run your resolver on a VPS and speak DoT / DoH to that, which shifts the leak from your ISP to your VPS provider.
Re:Ask HN: Neutral DNS servers? by tptacek on Friday March 11, 2022 @04:19PM (#30646147)
It doesn't solve the "manipulate" problem we're talking about here, either: nothing about DNSSEC prevents a DNS server (or middlebox) from denying results to a disfavored domain; it only (situationally) prevents them from redirecting it somewhere else. (And, of course, it only works if you're running your own recursive server; it does nothing whatsoever in the 8.8.8.8-type use case).
Re:Ask HN: Neutral DNS servers? by progval on Friday March 11, 2022 @05:18PM (#30646725)
> nothing about DNSSEC prevents a DNS server (or middlebox) from denying results to a disfavored domain

But at least it is detectable thanks to NSEC and NSEC3 records.

Re:Ask HN: Neutral DNS servers? by cyounkins on Friday March 11, 2022 @05:48PM (#30647052)
Kind of. An intermediary can drop packets and the client will never get the response.
Re:Ask HN: Neutral DNS servers? by tptacek on Friday March 11, 2022 @08:55PM (#30648270)
It's detectable when the site that the DNS provider is censoring falls off the Internet!
Re:Ask HN: Neutral DNS servers? by Arnavion on Friday March 11, 2022 @04:23PM (#30646198)
Yes, that's true.