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Re:Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need... by alex_young on Friday March 11, 2022 @09:56AM (#30640667)
Why is using more energy important to you? Wouldn’t more efficient energy use equate to getting more production out of less fuel? That seems like a clear win to me.
Re:Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need... by megaman821 on Friday March 11, 2022 @10:06AM (#30640771)
Depends on who you are talking about. Having no climate control to climate control will cost energy no matter how efficient the heat pump. No car to an electric car will cost energy.

For those who have all the that, the de-growth camp asks that people give up meat, down-size their houses and give up one of their cars. Maybe they should, but that will never win any popular support. The answer is always both though, we need to make things more efficient and produce more energy than ever using renewables.

Re:Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need... by tomp on Friday March 11, 2022 @10:00AM (#30640711)
Practical experience.

Products advertised as "energy saving" are almost invariably worse.

E.g. modern dishwashers use much less energy, but also take much longer (4 hours instead of 1 hour).

If there are products that are equivalent in functionality but use less energy (housing insulation? heat pumps?), I'm all for it.

Re:Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need... by alex_young on Friday March 11, 2022 @10:08AM (#30640794)
Almost certainly the computer anyone reading this thread on is an example of increased functionality with lower energy use than previous models. The same holds for automobiles (higher mpg) many drive to work, and several other things in daily life.
Re:Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need... by kkfx on Friday March 11, 2022 @11:19AM (#30641756)
IMVHO that's a bit of a wrong evolution, personally having a small p.v. domestic system I do prefer things that eat much and constant energy for a short time so I can schedule it when the Sun shine and the produced energy is MUCH more than my needs.

More expensive systems to consume less are logical in cities or for things that can't be scheduled, when p.v. and other renewable with similar output characteristics can't be used.

Much of the rest is just not for efficiency but for sell cheaper crap for the OEM at a bigger price for the customers.

Re:Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need... by hgomersall on Friday March 11, 2022 @10:38AM (#30641164)
To paraphrase: Sure, I'm for a habitable planet, just so long as my dishwasher doesn't take any longer to finish.
Re:Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need... by tomp on Friday March 11, 2022 @10:52AM (#30641351)
No, my point is, that is a false dichotomy.