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Re:Vladimir Putin is pushing Russia into past: Maybe a gener... by tablespoon on Thursday March 10, 2022 @11:50AM (#30629060)
> NK is not Russia. Russia knows what western brands and luxuries are. There have been lines in Russia to McDonalds, Victoria's Secret and other stores.

Do you really think the Russian government will withdraw from Ukraine because people can't buy McDonald's in Moscow anymore?

China isn't sanctioning Russia. I bet the oligarchs and other elietes will continue to get whatever Western status goods they want through smuggling (just like North Korea!), and the Russia people will have sufficient Chinese-manufactured consumer goods (like everyone everywhere else), just equivalents with different logos.

Re:Vladimir Putin is pushing Russia into past: Maybe a gener... by ithkuil on Thursday March 10, 2022 @12:11PM (#30629355)
"The world was theirs", they could show off their wealth in Paris, in London, in Florence, in New York, in Athens and Mallorca, in Tel Aviv and Sydney. Do you think they would be happy of having their world "shrink" to just Russia and China? Would that feel claustrophobic for these wealthy Russians? Could they do something about it, throwing their weight to shift some power balance and replace their dictator with another one more in line with the actual interests of the Russian riling class?
Re:Vladimir Putin is pushing Russia into past: Maybe a gener... by tablespoon on Thursday March 10, 2022 @01:34PM (#30630594)
> "The world was theirs", they could show off their wealth in Paris, in London, in Florence, in New York, in Athens and Mallorca, in Tel Aviv and Sydney. Do you think they would be happy of having their world "shrink" to just Russia and China?

We'll see, but "being unhappy" is a far cry from deciding to take on some KGB goon who appears to have no compunction against murdering rivals.

I highly doubt there will be regime change in Russia because some politically-connected oligarchs' wives can't flout their Hermes handbags in Paris. That seems far more like a fantasy than a realistic expectation.

Re:Vladimir Putin is pushing Russia into past: Maybe a gener... by ithkuil on Thursday March 10, 2022 @10:24PM (#30635770)
I agree. Just saying that it's not that oligarchs will just get their goods from china and nothing will change for them. Whether that's going to have any impact whatsoever is another story.