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Re:Senior devs. Is anyone else insulted by coding exams? by kragen on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @11:37AM (#30616501)
I'm much, much more willing to do a 15-minute programming test, or even a 60-minute one, than to give a potentially malicious company access to my network. References are for the last stages of the hiring process, once I know I can more or less trust the company.

And from my limited experience on the hiring side, while a trusted referral is worth much more than a programming test, a good report from a potentially adversarially chosen reference is worth much, much less. It's much easier for an unscrupulous person to find a friend who's willing to inflate their achievements on the phone than to provide on-the-spot solutions to programming problems they lack the skill to solve themselves.

Re:Senior devs. Is anyone else insulted by coding exams? by mtberatwork on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @11:53AM (#30616755)
> It's much easier for an unscrupulous person to find a friend who's willing to inflate their achievements on the phone than to provide on-the-spot solutions to programming problems they lack the skill to solve themselves.

A good hiring manager will be able to sniff that out rather quickly. Following up on references doesn't mean calling it a day after one random phone call either.

Re:Senior devs. Is anyone else insulted by coding exams? by kragen on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @12:04PM (#30616937)
How do you sniff it out?
Re:Senior devs. Is anyone else insulted by coding exams? by kozd on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @12:33PM (#30617474)
Obviously you give the reference a coding test
Re:Senior devs. Is anyone else insulted by coding exams? by mtberatwork on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @01:35PM (#30618288)
Ha! But in all fairness, multiple references, with references coming from verified previous employers. A quick phone call to the candidates prior employers to verify employment/listed reference will flush things out quickly. Also, most people are terrible liars when pressed ... even on the phone. It does require effort by the hiring manager though.