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Re:The Great Cul-De-Sac Problem And How To Alleviate It. by rubashov on Saturday October 01, 2011 @08:38PM (#3061642)
Do you live in North America? In most American metros to live in the city with kids you have to make enough money to easily afford expensive private school tuition. If your kid goes to the public school he will be beat up by black or hispanic gang members. This is probably 80% of the reason families rarely choose cities in America.
Re:The Great Cul-De-Sac Problem And How To Alleviate It. by moultano on Sunday October 02, 2011 @12:44AM (#3062091)
This is completely ridiculous. I went to a 60% black city public school in the midst of a ghetto. So did most of my friends. None of us ever had any issue. I'm glad I was exposed to a diverse group of people early on in life, so that there isn't any risk of embarrassing myself by making a comment as ignorant as yours.

On top of that, my friends who went to the expensive private schools (whether in the city or suburbs) had easy access to cocaine, which was not a feature of the public schools.

Re:The Great Cul-De-Sac Problem And How To Alleviate It. by bdunbar on Saturday October 01, 2011 @09:00PM (#3061679)
My wife taught at a 80% Hispanic majority high school in Dallas in the 90s. The gang violence on white kids thing just didn't happen there.

Gangs, yes. Gang violence, no.

Re:The Great Cul-De-Sac Problem And How To Alleviate It. by rubashov on Saturday October 01, 2011 @09:32PM (#3061736)
Did you send your kids there?
Re:The Great Cul-De-Sac Problem And How To Alleviate It. by bdunbar on Saturday October 01, 2011 @10:39PM (#3061850)
No. My kids were not high school age at the time, and we didn't live in the area for that high school.

I would have had no qualms about it, if it were otherwise.

Re:The Great Cul-De-Sac Problem And How To Alleviate It. by michaelchisari on Saturday October 01, 2011 @09:12PM (#3061703)
If your kid goes to the public school he will be beat up by black or hispanic gang members

That's a very alarmist statement that I'm afraid has no relationship with the experience of my friends who went to inner city schools with diverse populations (and yes, a number of gang members).

It's true that many inner city schools were defunded by capital flight to the suburbs. But the notion that they're all active warzones that only James Belushi or Michelle Pfeiffer can bring law and order to is a stereotype that needs to be put to rest.

Re:The Great Cul-De-Sac Problem And How To Alleviate It. by tsotha on Sunday October 02, 2011 @02:31AM (#3062218)
They're not all that way, to be sure, but there's enough truth in the stereotype that neighborhoods with known good schools have insane housing costs.
Re:The Great Cul-De-Sac Problem And How To Alleviate It. by michaelchisari on Sunday October 02, 2011 @04:17AM (#3062355)
Bad schools have unmotivated teachers. They operate more on discipline than inspiration. They have poor infrastructure and outdated books. They're understaffed, poorly managed, and some even have lead paint in the walls. There are a good amount of schools that have these problems, and since school funding is tied to property values, then we have an idea why housing costs around the good schools are high.

Bad schools are not a high school zombie apocalypse of having to fight for your life against "black and hispanic gang members". That's the stereotype that needs to end already.

Re:The Great Cul-De-Sac Problem And How To Alleviate It. by tsotha on Sunday October 02, 2011 @02:12PM (#3063519)
I think I disagree with pretty much everything you've written here. For one thing, the problem isn't money. Some of the worst school districts have the highest per-pupil spending. The DC school district may be the worst in the entire country, and yet it's right up at the top of list in outlays per student.

And the problem isn't unmotivated teachers. Young, idealistic teachers are made prematurely cynical by the thousands in bad urban school districts every year.

The problem is too many of the students and (more importantly) their families don't care. That's why charter schools work. That's why private schools work. And that's why suburban schools work. Because the students in those schools belong to families that consider education important and have made sacrifices to get their kids in a good school.

All the things schools used to do to maintain order are either illegal or carry a big financial penalty for the district. When I was in school our district had a reform school, and everyone knew if you acted out too much that's where you would end up. Kids got suspended and eventually expelled for too much disruptive behavior. That just doesn't happen today to any meaningful degree.

It's all well and good to rail about the unfairness of it all, but when the future of your own kids is on the line you make the sacrifices you have to make in order to keep them out of bad schools. Even the president, who is under a lot of political pressure to put his kids in DC public schools decided to send them to a private school instead.

Re:The Great Cul-De-Sac Problem And How To Alleviate It. by dalke on Sunday October 02, 2011 @04:56AM (#3062407)
Pure utter malarky. My urban high school in Miami was 40% white/non-hispanic, 40% hispanic, and 20% black (minus a smidgeon for the few percent Asian). It was also one of the best high schools in the county - public or private - and many of my friends' parents could not afford private school tuition. Mine sure couldn't.