> Apple's management of any and all heat issues has been far better than any competitors for a while now.

Only if you define "for a while" as "since a year ago with the introduction of the M1".

Apple refused to make a thicker laptop or one with better ventilation to adequately cool the CPUs & GPUs they were sticking in them. They were among if not the worst of them all at handling the heat of the components they were using. Until the M1 Pro & Max rolled around, anyway, and suddenly they got thicker, with feet that raise it farther off the desk, and absolutely massive amount of vents all over 3 sides of the machine. Curious timing on that...

The last intel macs run way too hot still. They get up over 80dC. The 2014 ones would hard reboot when building large Java projects.

To be fair the current Dells do the same.

Haha what are you smoking, my 2018 macpro laptop was constantly throttling under heavy load, its thermal management was terrible

I didn't say that particular model was perfect. I said Apple has been doing far better than competitors. Which is true. I set up and used hundreds of Macs and hundreds of PCs in 2018 as part of my job. I am pretty confident as to which performed better overall thermally.

And of course, Apple has made huge progress since then (M1, better thermal designs, new fan designs which are quieter and more efficient) whereas PC makers have made basically zero progress.

You said "Those issues were all almost 20 years ago."

The "huge progress since then" was a year ago.

Your timeline is a little bit made up.