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Re:America produces enough oil to meet its needs, so why do ... by moonchrome on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:30PM (#30605210)
Where have you been for the last two years? If it was just a matter of margins we wouldn't have world wide shortages of components, production lines shutting down, etc.

Even with massive multibilion investments in fabs all over the place it's going to take years to bring up fab capacity - in the ideal case. And that's just for one component.

Apple doesn't even do manufacturing anyway - they outsource every step of the way. What US alternatives are there to Samsung displays or Foxconn assembly ?

Apple is too high up the chain to bring about this kind of change, best you could probably do is US assembly if you imposed India like tariffs. Not sure how the US consumers would feel about their iPhone jumping in price by 30%.

Re:America produces enough oil to meet its needs, so why do ... by actuator on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:35PM (#30605339)
Systematic destruction of industrial capacity is not fixed in a single year.

Even the outsourcing of capacity to PRC, didn't happen in a single year. It happened slowly motivated by margins, not due to some technical breakthroughs that were happening in PRC.

> Apple doesn't even do manufacturing anyway - they outsource every step of the way.

That's again a conscious choice because of margins. Apple used to manufacture stuff themselves in US.

No one is saying Apple has to make display tech as well. Buying stuff from allies like SK, Japan and Taiwan shouldn't be an issue.

> Not sure how the US consumers would feel about their iPhone jumping in price by 30%.

Last I checked Apple had over 40% margins on their iPhone. If Apple shared the same concerns as their parent country, they wouldn't work to maximize their profits, even if it comes from labour working in inhumane conditions.

The systematic destruction of US industrial capacity has been in chase of profits.

Re:America produces enough oil to meet its needs, so why do ... by erosenbe0 on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @01:49AM (#30611615)
I'd argue capacity was not 'outsourced' as American manufacturing never had the kind of capacity seen in Asia.

Modern Asian manufacturing scales up faster than USA has ever done outside of WWII. Large numbers of infrastructure and people.

Re:America produces enough oil to meet its needs, so why do ... by copperx on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @08:01PM (#30609708)
> Not sure how the US consumers would feel about their iPhone jumping in price by 30%.

Apple sells iPhones in Mexico at 30% over the US price and you still see iPhones everywhere, even considering the purchasing power of the average Mexican is about 1/10 of an American.

Re:America produces enough oil to meet its needs, so why do ... by moonchrome on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @07:06AM (#30613571)
Mobile Vendor Market Share in Mexico - February 2022 Apple 17.12%

In the US apple is regularly above 50%, not to mention that the US market app store revenue per user should be higher as well. There's a reason Apple has segmented their products where they previously only sold flagship devices.

Re:America produces enough oil to meet its needs, so why do ... by InvertedRhodium on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @09:34PM (#30610315)
Not only that - the price increase from the iPhone 8 to the iPhone X, adjusted for inflation, was sightly more than 20% and people still bought iPhones.

The most recent ones are even more expensive.

Re:America produces enough oil to meet its needs, so why do ... by kube-system on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @10:52PM (#30610735)
It’s both. It is a matter of margins, and it has been that way long enough now that it is also a matter of long-term investment in manufacturing capabilities. Nobody wants to make less money, and they definitely don’t want to make less money over a long period of time. Especially when those who make that decision are legally required to maximize the amount of money they make for their investors.