News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Apple Mac Studio by hughrr on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:08PM (#30604669)
This is actually really cheap. Maxed out at £7999 is less than half the price of an HP Z with similar numbers configured in which it probably can’t even get near the mac.

And it doesn’t need $1000 wheels.

Re:Apple Mac Studio by forgotmyoldacc on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @05:38PM (#30608268)
My workstation build with Epyc is ~$5,000 and has more cores (24 core), more memory (256 GB), faster GPU (3090), a 2TB pcie 4 SSD and I suspect will perform better on standard benchmarks. Definitely not as compact as the Studio though but lot more extendable.
Re:Apple Mac Studio by ChrisMarshallNY on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @06:00PM (#30608520)
> I suspect will perform better on standard benchmarks.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. These M1 chips have some crazy benchmark performance.

What they don't have, is a standard x86 ISA, which means that a lot of applications run emulated (and still tend to beat many Intel specs, anyway). I keep reading people complaining that "It's faster, but not that much faster. What's the big deal?", when they are talking about an i86 application, running on Rosetta2.

Re:Apple Mac Studio by forgotmyoldacc on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @07:41PM (#30609533)
Geekbench scores came out, The Epyc 7443p scored 27461, M1 Ultra scored 24055 on multi-core. Geekbench uses ARM-native for Mac M1 iirc.
Re:Apple Mac Studio by runeks on Friday March 11, 2022 @01:30PM (#30643993)
So given the Epyc has 24 cores versus 16 cores for the M1 Ultra, the Epyc has roughly 75% of the single core performance of an M1 Ultra and 115% the multi-core performance.
Re:Apple Mac Studio by ChrisMarshallNY on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @11:32AM (#30616435)
Yeah, the Threadripper beats the M1Ultra, by just a bit, and has the advantage of being an i86 ISA.
Re:Apple Mac Studio by chaostheory on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @01:16AM (#30611450)
I feel that the M chips are awesome at saving power while providing performance which makes them perfect for laptops and portables. I’m not seeing their value proposition for desktops though. I don’t care about something that saves space. The only time I care about that is for portables.
Re:Apple Mac Studio by ChrisMarshallNY on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @06:04AM (#30613222)
Remember when people were talking about "ARM rack servers"? The idea was to have dozens of daughterboards, jammed into a 2U chassis, providing massive parallelism. The low power draw would make this possible.

Wouldn't surprise me, if Apple is thinking about doing something like this, maybe with a new API/SDK, focused on this. They would probably sell it as an ML machine.

Re:Apple Mac Studio by chaostheory on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @10:38AM (#30615616)
The issue for that is that it’s not cheap, commodity hardware. It’s a risk to build a server farm with Apple given their historical penchant to arbitrarily cancel entire product lines that were doing ok. Apple is best as a workstation or personal machine.
Re:Apple Mac Studio by ChrisMarshallNY on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @11:30AM (#30616405)
That‘s a good point.

Tell me about it.

We used to have a couple of their XServe rack servers, as well as that fat RAID rack.

Iirc, we had to get $pecial disks for that damn thing.

Re:Apple Mac Studio by chaostheory on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @11:58AM (#30616828)
imo this is just an improved version of garbage can Mac Pro

They refuse to build what a sizable number of people want, yet we're stuck with Apple because the alternatives are even worse. That's what pg got wrong with one of his predictions. He didn't realize that no one can do better than Apple's worst effort

Re:Apple Mac Studio by jeffbee on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:38PM (#30605405)
$8100 for a 20-core, 128GB, 8TB, 2x10ge, 2xTB3 BTO config of a HP Z6 G4. You get more expandability but fewer and slower TB ports, random graphics, and a much slower CPU, also a different operating system. Z workstations won't be competitive for people who can choose macOS until they refresh them with a newer Xeon. On the other hand, Mac won't be competitive for people who require ECC or Windows or Linux.

https://zworkstations.com/configurations/2944242/

Re:Apple Mac Studio by hughrr on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:41PM (#30605480)
Stick two bigger GPUs in it to drive multiple 4k screens.

But yes no ECC. Linux arm64 works on my M1 Pro in UTM using native virtualisation. And it’s fast as anything.

Re:Apple Mac Studio by rovr138 on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:09PM (#30604686)
$5,799 for:

* 20 core cpu

* 64 core gpu

* 32 core neural engine

* 128GB of ram

* 1TB SSD

fully maxed out, 8TB SSD

Re:Apple Mac Studio by hughrr on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:10PM (#30604718)
Yeah stuff SSD array in TB4 hole for less money.
Re:Apple Mac Studio by rovr138 on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:15PM (#30604841)
Yeah.

Obviously depends on people's workload. For myself and to future proof, I can see a benefit for 2TB locally.

The rest I can offload to network storage.

Re:Apple Mac Studio by gumby on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:51PM (#30605715)
A TB4 connection is, for all intents and purposes, "local". Way faster than any network storage.
Re:Apple Mac Studio by hughrr on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:16PM (#30604852)
Indeed. I’m running on a 512Gb MBP 14” and have 310Gb free so no point in this for me.
Re:Apple Mac Studio by londons_explore on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:40PM (#30605457)
Start editing high res video, and those TB's will quickly fill up.
Re:Apple Mac Studio by scottlamb on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:47PM (#30605610)
That's why hard disks are still made and sold: they're an inexpensive way to achieve high capacity. I wouldn't expect seek latency to be problematic for video editing, and if it is, using the SSD as cache would likely be sufficient.
Re:Apple Mac Studio by hughrr on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:43PM (#30605513)
I have been purposely avoiding that situation to save money :)
[dead]
Re:Apple Mac Studio by criddell on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @03:37PM (#30606506)
It's cheap for what it is. If you need a machine like this, then what else could you buy?

The Studio starts at $2k. If you are going to use it for the next 4 years, that's less than $1.50 / day. No trust fund required.

Re:Apple Mac Studio by schleck8 on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @05:25PM (#30608101)
32 GB of unspecified frequency ram? 512 GB of unspecified speed and type ssd?

That's not a 2000 dollar configuration. For reference, that memory capacity costs 120 euros with 3200 Mhz

Re:Apple Mac Studio by geraneum on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @05:47PM (#30608352)
That 32 GB is not a typical stick. It’s a unified memory on SoC like how it is in smartphones. It affects performance significantly. You can read more about how they work and how they are different here:

https://www.howtogeek.com/701804/how-unified-memory-speeds-u...

Also it was mentioned, if I’m not mistaken, that the SSD has 7.5 Gb/s read, which is actually pretty good.

Re:Apple Mac Studio by timpattinson on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @01:47AM (#30611608)
"unspecified frequency" is LPDDR5-6400. Better than anything else you can get for a reasonable price, and well into the experimental range with a 12th gen Intel cpu
Re:Apple Mac Studio by neop1x on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @12:16PM (#30617153)
>> 32 GB of unspecified frequency ram? 512 GB of unspecified speed and type ssd

Yes and it is all fun and games as long as it works. If something breaks, it is either terribly expensive to repair or unrepairable completely. Then it may not be as cheap long-term as it may look now... but the situation is probably worse with macbooks and their custom LCDs and keyboards than with this Studio.

Is it even possible to boot from USB on these M1 macs after the internal SSD fails?

Re:Apple Mac Studio by hughrr on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @04:07PM (#30606972)
I don't think you have worked in typical big city media companies...