Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of...
by quercetumMons on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @12:47PM
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I'd imagine that it is nearly impossible to control for time with tests like IQ.
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of...
by cutemonster on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @01:41PM
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Auto generate IQ tests, so cannot be learned by trying many times / cannot learn by heart. And have people in the next generation do the same auto generated tests.
This won't be perfect, but, using mathematics, Id think it would be possible to know how (im)precise the comparisons would be (confidence intervals of the differences).
Also, might not work for really bright people (they'd learn how the auto generated tests get generated? They might sort of "disassemble" them and find the answers quickly?)
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of...
by darawk on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:50PM
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This doesn't work because of the Flynn effect. Raw IQ scores have been consistently increasing over time. So much so that the average person in the 1920s would be considered mentally challenged today, if you used their raw IQ scores. However, we know that obviously the average person in the 1920s was not mentally challenged in the sense that someone with that same raw score would be today.
This is all a pretty big mystery and suggests we really don't understand this "IQ" thing we are measuring. However, one big consequence is that we definitely cannot meaningfully compare scores across time.
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of...
by kanzenryu2 on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:09PM
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For something like lead you can look at different parts of the world at the same moment where lead was abolished at different times in the past.
Also of interest might be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of...
by jart on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:19PM
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I guess it's useful if your goal is to figure out how to divide kids into separate math classes. I don't think anyone intended ability to rotate blocks and scramble letters as a timeless gauge of the quality of a person.
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of...
by cylon13 on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:33PM
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Don’t conflate intelligence with quality or value. Every human being is inherently valuable independent of their intelligence, and there are plenty of other interesting features besides intelligence that make people unique and interesting. Believing that IQ measures something tangible is not equivalent to ranking people based on their value any more than believing height or weight measure something real.
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of...
by jart on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @03:03PM
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Am I being excommunicated already? I thought that's what I said.
Re:Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of...
by cylon13 on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @01:26AM
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Yeah sorry, I agree with you in spirit. I was mainly arguing against the idea that "IQ is useful" and "IQ measures the value of humans" have to either both be true or both be false. My reply is to the interpretation of your comment as "IQ doesn't and can't measure the value of humans, therefor it's not very useful," which might not have been your intent.
Otherwise, if the IQ is redefined to always follow the current mean, it can only be used to classify people between smarter than average and "dumber" than average, which is not so useful.