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Re:Thank you Wise for blocking our business account by tsimionescu on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @10:54AM (#30601274)
> I think the best possible outcome, which still isn't great, is that the Ukrainian people turn this into a quagmire and the Russians leave.

I don't think a quagmire in your own country is ever a good outcome. I honestly believe it would be preferable for most civilians if Russia quickly wins the war rather than dragging it out for a decade until Russia withdraws.

Of course, ideally Russia will agree to a peace relatively soon, take a few things they already had (Crimea, parts of Donbas) and some security promises, and lick their wounds after the sanctions...

Re:Thank you Wise for blocking our business account by ftth_finland on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @11:27AM (#30601766)
I don’t think you’ll get any support for this kind of reasoning in any of the countries that have been invaded by Russia.
Re:Thank you Wise for blocking our business account by tsimionescu on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:21PM (#30604994)
I happen to live in a country that was invaded by the USSR at the end of WWII and chose to trun arms against the Germans and help the USSR rather than face a protracted battle, Romania. This led to us losing a pretty big part of our country, Moldova, and staying as part of the Eastern bloc for the next 50 years. Still, no one thinks our forefathers should have bravely resisted the Allied invasion. Sure, the USSR's enemy was Nazi Germany, an even worse horrid disgusting regime, so the situation is definitely not identical by any means. But still, war takes such a horrendous toll on a population, particularly a protracted war, that almost anything is preferable.

I doubt the people of Crimea for example are suffering as much as if they had been through war - I'm not even sure they would welcome a Ukrainian operation to reconquer them (even though, to be clear, I don't believe Putin's referendum was anything other than a sham). I would also ask the 500,000 to 2 million killed afghans, and the 3 million wounded, if they are happy their deaths tore down the USSR, and would gladly go through that again.