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Re:Assessing a Claim: Is San Francisco's Shoplifting Problem... by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @09:59AM (#30600590)
> Again in NYC, it costs $50/hr to bring in an armed uniformed off-duty NYPD officer to stand in your store. They get overtime and its run through the city, officers sign up for it. If you can't justify $50/hr to help shoplifting, then you probably have different issues going on causing you to close (the rent for that Rite Aid was probably $10k+/month)

That doesn’t prove much, the expensive clothes store didn’t have things that could be fenced easily for drug money while the drug store is much more convenient for that. Sure the things in the clothes store are worth more, but to a grifter looking for their next fentanyl hit, they can’t do anything with whatever they lift there (as opposed to an organized flash mob who has plans to fence the goods online somehow).

The downtown Seattle target hires off duty officers, yet their lego section is still depleted (there was a fence for legos at pike place market that wasn’t shutdown until a few months ago) and people still shoplift like crazy since the city and county won’t prosecute.

Re:Assessing a Claim: Is San Francisco's Shoplifting Problem... by ashwagary on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @08:21PM (#30609871)
There is a happy medium between open shoplifting sprees and the state murdering people over $20. I'm hopeful we will find it with more experimentation and personally suspect that it looks like UBI.
Re:Assessing a Claim: Is San Francisco's Shoplifting Problem... by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @09:42PM (#30610354)
That’s only if you see it as a people in need problem. If you see it as a drug addiction problem, UBI could actually make things worse.
Re:Assessing a Claim: Is San Francisco's Shoplifting Problem... by ashwagary on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @12:40PM (#30617579)
Hard for me to say which is worse.. It's not obvious whether drug addicts with adequate means of procuring a steady supply would be more dangerous to society than ones in desperation.

Portugal may have the answers but I have yet to look into this deeply enough to make a claim either way.

Re:Assessing a Claim: Is San Francisco's Shoplifting Problem... by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @04:28PM (#30620227)
> It's not obvious whether drug addicts with adequate means of procuring a steady supply would be more dangerous to society than ones in desperation.

It would definitely be worse for them, if we moralistically care about their well being. They would also probably still need housing and food given to them, as their addiction would often prevent them from prioritizing those things with the UBI they got. UBI isn't a panacea to these problems, at least.