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Re:Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission by vkou on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @03:23AM (#30597765)
> First the Palestinians aren't under attack, they can just stop firing rockets

No, they are simply under permanent military occupation, with no end in sight, no path to enfranchisement. At best, they are living in an apartheid state. At worst, they had a war declared on them, and they aren't even permitted to surrender.

If some third party invaded the United States, and kettled Americans to live in isolated enclaves and ghettos, with no freedom of movement, national sovereignty, or pathway to assimilation into the occupier's new nation, that occupier might be subject to the occasional rock and rocket attack, too.

Re:Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission by MichaelRazum on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @04:33AM (#30598163)
An apartheid state. That is clearly wrong. An Arab party is in the government. Even they said that they don't see Israel as an apartheid state.

Most of them are living much much better than in any neighbor country.

Re:Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission by vkou on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @05:28AM (#30598428)
Some arabs in Israel are permitted to vote, just like how some African Americans living in the north had the right to vote pre-CRA/VRA. Pre-CRA/VRA America was also an apartheid state.

Most do not have that right, despite being born there, and having no other home country.

That some of them are enfranchised is a fig leaf over an apartheid state.

Re:Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission by MichaelRazum on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @05:57AM (#30598590)
I have to call out this. This is clearly wrong. Every Israeli citizen is allowed to vote. That is a fact. I don't know where you get your facts.
Re:Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission by vkou on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @06:33AM (#30598798)
> Every Israeli citizen is allowed to vote.

The rhetorical sleight-of-hand that you are obscuring is that most Arabs living in Israel are not, and will never be allowed to become Israeli citizens. This is despite both being born, and living on a territory that is very clearly under the military control of the Knesset.

It's either an indeterminate military occupation, or its apartheid. I don't care what you want to call it, but you have to pick one or the other, because in 2022, Palestine simply does not exist as a free, sovereign nation. It's either a civil territory of Israel, or occupied by Israel.

Re:Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission by xdennis on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @11:19AM (#30601639)
You can't give citizenship to people who want to destroy your country.
Re:Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission by sofixa on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @06:07AM (#30598641)
Are Palestinian Arabs Israeli citizens?