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Re:Latvia wants permanent U.S. troops, foreign minister tell... by paganel on Monday March 07, 2022 @11:20AM (#30589621)
> Eg. a non-NATO EU army could get more involved in Ukraine,

That would trigger a nuclear bomb from Russia, the same as with NATO's involvement. When a nuclear power gets involved (and an EU army would posses nuclear weapons) then we enter the MAD scenario even if we want it or not. Re-labelling the Europe-based part of the NATO forces as "EU Army" I'm afraid won't foul the Russians.

Re:Latvia wants permanent U.S. troops, foreign minister tell... by AbrahamParangi on Monday March 07, 2022 @11:44AM (#30590024)
You must accept that your adversary is rational if you aim to avoid nuclear war because if you believe that they're mad and can't behave rationally then you have only one logically-consistent option remaining.
Re:Latvia wants permanent U.S. troops, foreign minister tell... by chimprich on Monday March 07, 2022 @12:15PM (#30590442)
> You must accept that your adversary is rational if you aim to avoid nuclear war

In practice, humans are neither entirely rational nor entirely irrational. Humans occupy different positions on this spectrum according to genetics, culture and circumstance.

If we want to avoid triggering escalation events that may lead to an eventual nuclear episode it seems sensible to avoid certain emotionally-charged and chaotic situations such as having the armed forces of nuclear-armed states or their close allies in direct combat with each other.

Re:Latvia wants permanent U.S. troops, foreign minister tell... by js8 on Monday March 07, 2022 @02:41PM (#30592399)
> Re-labelling the Europe-based part of the NATO forces as "EU Army" I'm afraid won't foul the Russians.

That's true, yes. But in an alternate reality, where NATO doesn't exist after Cold War, the European countries have built up their own defense (maybe shared to an extent to allow compatibility), and they create an ad-hoc pact based on situation presented, this would, I believe, give us better options to help defend Ukraine. And maybe, who knows, Putin wouldn't even go crazy being paranoid about NATO.

Re:Latvia wants permanent U.S. troops, foreign minister tell... by Armisael16 on Monday March 07, 2022 @07:28PM (#30595103)
I think it’s far more likely that Europe would’ve continued down the path it had been on for centuries - war against itself.
Re:Latvia wants permanent U.S. troops, foreign minister tell... by ISL on Monday March 07, 2022 @11:26AM (#30589717)
A nuclear power is already involved.
Re:Latvia wants permanent U.S. troops, foreign minister tell... by paganel on Monday March 07, 2022 @11:32AM (#30589829)
I meant a nuclear power (EU, in my example) against another nuclear power (that would be Russia).
Re:Latvia wants permanent U.S. troops, foreign minister tell... by xdennis on Monday March 07, 2022 @11:39AM (#30589935)
> That would trigger a nuclear bomb from Russia

There is no reason for Russia to do so. Ukraine is not part of Russia. There already is a precedent for military operations in a country occupied by Russians (when Trump bombed Syria).

Re:Latvia wants permanent U.S. troops, foreign minister tell... by t-3 on Monday March 07, 2022 @11:54AM (#30590148)
Syria is a proxy war that's been ongoing since 2011. Russians were invited in by the government of that country. We are thus supporting the rebels.
Re:Latvia wants permanent U.S. troops, foreign minister tell... by _dain_ on Monday March 07, 2022 @11:46AM (#30590055)
The Russians were there at the request of the Syrian government.
Re:Latvia wants permanent U.S. troops, foreign minister tell... by gpt5 on Monday March 07, 2022 @11:46AM (#30590050)
You could claim that Putin was bluffing, but he recently said that if NATO tries to take back crimea, he will use nukes and it will be bad for everyone.