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Re:How BART on the Golden Gate Bridge died: A new history by thematrixturtle on Saturday March 05, 2022 @06:18PM (#30572991)
Urban rail is one of the few things where "if you build it, they will come" is actually true, so Marin's population would almost certainly be much larger today if it was connected by BART.

Whether that's a good thing is, of course, a separate question.

Re:How BART on the Golden Gate Bridge died: A new history by treis on Saturday March 05, 2022 @11:37PM (#30575070)
Urban rail usage in my city was down 20% from 2000 pre-covid and has lost another 60% or so from Covid. That's despite a ~25% increase in population.

Similar story around the US. Outside of NYC public transit usage is declining.

Re:How BART on the Golden Gate Bridge died: A new history by zamfi on Sunday March 06, 2022 @01:19AM (#30575474)
You don’t say where you’re from, but pre-Covid, BART’s usage had gotten so high that planners were trying to figure out how to squeeze more trains into limited headways so that the downtown track platforms didn’t become unsafe from overcrowding at rush hours. Literally it was as many trains as they could fit on the tracks.

So, add SF to your list — it’s not just NYC.

At least, it wasn’t. BART ridership is still down 60+% from peak pre-Covid.

Re:How BART on the Golden Gate Bridge died: A new history by quantumwannabe on Sunday March 06, 2022 @01:32AM (#30575522)
There were 8% fewer transit (bus and rail) trips in the Bay Area in 2018 than in 1982, despite the population increasing by over 30% and the transit systems were expanded during that time period. BART had a 17% decrease in ridership from 2015 to 2018 despite them increasing train service by 15%, which is probably what you're referring to. As of December 2021, BART ridership is only 25% of what it was pre-covid and they have reduced service to 75% of what it used to be.

From the BART Wikipedia article:

"After six straight years of expansion, ridership growth began to slow in late 2016, dropping by 1.7% in October 2016 from the prior year. Although the fiscal year ending June 30, 2017, showed an average weekday ridership of 423,395, the second-highest in BART's history, this was a 2.3% drop from FY 2016. Ridership continued to decline by approximately 3% per year between 2016 and 2019, mirroring a nationwide decline in mass transit ridership in the second half of the decade."

Re:How BART on the Golden Gate Bridge died: A new history by zamfi on Monday March 07, 2022 @10:00AM (#30588547)
Interesting, though I think this misses the whole story. (In particular, BART at peak hours was dangerously congested, though I won't argue with data showing that other uses declined enough that the average was below zero.)

But perhaps this speaks to your broader point about car ownership and public transit use. Even SF itself has more registered vehicles than inhabitants.

> There were 8% fewer transit (bus and rail) trips in the Bay Area in 2018 than in 1982

Btw, I'd be curious to read the source for this!

Re:How BART on the Golden Gate Bridge died: A new history by finnh on Saturday March 05, 2022 @11:48PM (#30575112)
Seattle's Link light rail, a relatively new thing, has been extremely successful. Ridership for the first few years well exceeded expectations. I'm not sure of the COVID impact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_light_rail