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Re:GE won’t let me use convection roast on my new oven witho... by BoorishBears on Saturday March 05, 2022 @05:56PM (#30572804)
None of this and I mean _none_ would trigger it.

Not recommending this or proud/bragging/endorsing this, but I drive fast. Too fast. 100 MPH for me is what most people feel doing 5 over.

I have *never* triggered these alerts unless I was genuinely tired.

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You're talking about a system you don't have the faintest clue about, instead of whipping out irrelevant fantasy situations, ask how it works???

It will *not* react to intentional aggressive movement, it reacts to clearly unintentionally movement that are consistently late and low steering torque.

This is not stuff you can replicate "practicing parallel parking", or driving like you're re-enacting fast and furious!

I expect better of HN, you're jumping from a misleading interpretation to FUD without taking a moment to learn.

Re:GE won’t let me use convection roast on my new oven witho... by WalterBright on Saturday March 05, 2022 @06:35PM (#30573130)
> a system you don't have the faintest clue about

Which I explicitly stated:

"The worst part is, I have no idea what criteria that algorithm is using"

> clearly unintentionally movement

How does a machine know I didn't intend it?

Re:GE won’t let me use convection roast on my new oven witho... by BoorishBears on Saturday March 05, 2022 @08:05PM (#30573873)
You know... when most people have no idea what they're talking about they seek clarity instead of writing 4 paragraphs of fantasy.

But you do you.

These systems don't trigger for "potentially bad" behavior like speeding, they trigger when you drive like an intoxicated or impaired driver.

Intentionally acting like an impaired drive is like intentionally walking like you're drunk... gravity doesn't care if you were pretending to stumble, you're still coming down.

So it doesn't matter if you intended to veer in and out if your in your lane with barely any steering torque being applied... that's how you cause an accident.

If you were dodging obstacles you'd be applying sharper input than a drunk person. You can't "fake" drunk without being a danger to yourself and others.

Re:GE won’t let me use convection roast on my new oven witho... by WalterBright on Saturday March 05, 2022 @09:08PM (#30574324)
How does it know you're wandering in and out of your lane?
Re:GE won’t let me use convection roast on my new oven witho... by BoorishBears on Sunday March 06, 2022 @12:08AM (#30575193)
You can keep trying to go for gotchas... but it's not worth your time or mine.

What do you think is going to happen, ADAS is going to have a tracking error that makes you look like an impaired driver?

These systems are even starting to take in eyesight and

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You're like a person going in front of a judge trying to argue:

"Well the officer heard gunshots and watched me, the only person in the room, run away with a smoking gun as the guy fell..."

"But maybe I didn't shoot him!! Maybe I was shooting out the window and felt like going for a run!!"

You're not really going to fool anyone... if it drives like it's impaired, it's impaired. Doesn't matter if it's alcohol, sleep, texting, etc.

Re:GE won’t let me use convection roast on my new oven witho... by WalterBright on Sunday March 06, 2022 @03:02AM (#30575869)
Yeah, well, I've been in software for 45 years. Magical algorithms like that always have both bugs and unintended consequences.

"if it drives like it's impaired, it's impaired"

It's just magic I'm supposed to trust.

No thanks.

P.S. I worked on the 757 stabilizer trim design. While I didn't work on the avionics boxes that fitted to it, I know was designed to never allow the software to have the last word. Because software has bugs in it. It always does.

Yes, I know about the 737MAX. There's a switch to turn physically off the stab trim. All the electronics that drive the trim, including MCAS, are upstream of that switch, and that switch rules. Another switch that overrides all the software is the column trim switch. The 3rd crew that experienced MCAS failure that you never hear about used these switches to override MCAS and land safely.

P.P.S. I let my car drift out of the lane if there's no oncoming traffic to give a crazy cyclist / kid on a skateboard more room, or to give that mom with kids more room, or to avoid an icy patch, or to avoid a pothole, or to get my wheels on a drier stretch of pavement to avoid hydroplaning. Heck, if it's safe to do so, I'll move over a full lane to avoid kids.

Re:GE won’t let me use convection roast on my new oven witho... by avereveard on Saturday March 05, 2022 @11:52PM (#30575128)
I've a very soft driving style, because I'm used to cars with very direct steering, and when I get into rentals these systems trigger like crazy with me, they're super annoying.