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Re:GE won’t let me use convection roast on my new oven witho... by mistrial9 on Saturday March 05, 2022 @05:38PM (#30572669)
"a control agenda" is one (landmine) label meant to represent a set of complex interactions; this kind of drastic oversimplification is daily fodder for politics, but literally destructive to actual fact-based inquiry leading to effective policy. Similar arguments have been made regarding product safety and hygiene requirements by "government" !
Re:GE won’t let me use convection roast on my new oven witho... by mindslight on Saturday March 05, 2022 @05:48PM (#30572753)
Except that such all-or-nothing logic is completely appropriate when talking about security of computational domains. Taking a device that is supposedly mine and configuring it to work against my interests repudiates the idea that I am the owner of it. Rather than representing my interests, it is now an agent of someone else's top-down policy. And if enough people modify "their" devices to remove such restrictions, then there's a good chance that even more systems of control get deployed to prevent them from doing so.
Re:GE won’t let me use convection roast on my new oven witho... by gkop on Saturday March 05, 2022 @06:03PM (#30572868)
I was under the impression people are buying Teslas voluntarily, not because it’s mandated by the government.
Re:GE won’t let me use convection roast on my new oven witho... by mindslight on Saturday March 05, 2022 @07:34PM (#30573614)
I don't see how that's relevant. Both government and corporations are independently capable of pushing top-down controls onto society.
Re:GE won’t let me use convection roast on my new oven witho... by nobody9999 on Saturday March 05, 2022 @09:37PM (#30574482)
>Except that such all-or-nothing logic is completely appropriate when talking about security of computational domains. Taking a device that is supposedly mine and configuring it to work against my interests repudiates the idea that I am the owner of it.

You mean like smartphones, proprietary operating systems, streaming devices, many (most?) IOT devices, digital books/music/movies and a host of other things?

Sorry, until there's some law/regulation (e.g., broadly confirming the First Sale doctrine[0] and/or similar stuff) that ship has sailed, my friend.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

Re:GE won’t let me use convection roast on my new oven witho... by mindslight on Monday March 07, 2022 @11:42AM (#30590000)
Mass adoption of centrally controlled devices doesn't change the paradigm of reasoning about computing freedom, though. This trend just means that the majority of computing devices aren't under the control of their owners, not that the idea of computational freedom is irrelevant.

In fact I would say barring some very strong laws that make de facto locked down devices outright illegal, there will always be more proprietary devices than libre ones. One of the chief goals of locking down computers is decommodification, meaning taking what could be a general purpose device and restricting it to one specific purpose. Even caring heavily about software freedom - I've got two librebooted desktops, two me_cleaned laptops, one microG phone, but still countless purpose-tailored devices that perform some proprietary function. If those proprietary functions (eg Google Voice SIP integration) could be straightforwardly done with libre software, then I could just consolidate those functions into the libre infrastructure.

Re:GE won’t let me use convection roast on my new oven witho... by mistrial9 on Saturday March 05, 2022 @08:16PM (#30573950)
> Taking a device that is supposedly mine and configuring it to work against my interests repudiates the idea that I am the owner of it

strongly agree here!