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Re:Building a web app with no framework by xigoi on Saturday March 05, 2022 @04:00PM (#30571817)
One think I'm missing in vanilla JavaScript is reactivity. What's the simplest way to make it so that the page will always display the current value of a variable (or something calculated from the current value)?
Re:Building a web app with no framework by veganhouseDJ on Saturday March 05, 2022 @04:21PM (#30572021)
This is why I just love Sveltekit. There is just not that much to even learn beyond vanilla JS.
Re:Building a web app with no framework by xigoi on Saturday March 05, 2022 @04:35PM (#30572140)
I once tried to learn Svelte, expecting to be able to write a simple webpage in HTML and JS and having Svelte make it interactive, but it asked me to clone a whole template repo. No, thanks.
Re:Building a web app with no framework by divbzero on Saturday March 05, 2022 @05:21PM (#30572541)
Proxy [1] is one way to do it using vanilla JavaScript.

[1]: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Refe...

Re:Building a web app with no framework by LAC-Tech on Saturday March 05, 2022 @04:06PM (#30571869)
Something like the observer pattern:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_pattern#JavaScript

If you look at it from another angle, you might see that `setState` could take a function oldState => newState instead of a raw value. Then you have a `reducer` in the sense of redux.

You could also just make the list of observers functions, instead of objects with the signal method.

All easily done in about 20 LOC.

Re:Building a web app with no framework by Handytinge on Monday March 07, 2022 @08:38PM (#30595512)
How do the frameworks you use do it?

If the value is remote, I assume a websocket or regular AJAX poll. If the value is local, simply binding an event emitter to the DOM should do it. Both would be lower load and compute than most frameworks.

Re:Building a web app with no framework by xigoi on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @12:02AM (#30596615)
https://github.com/zserge/q, an experimental minimalistic clone of Vue, uses object.defineProperty. (There has been an attempt to use Proxy instead, but there's a problem with it: https://github.com/zserge/q/issues/1) I don't think I could make it any lighter if I wanted to.