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Re:Yandex Provides Update on Impact of Current Developments by paxys on Friday March 04, 2022 @09:36PM (#30563574)
It's funny that Russia's largest tech company is actually Dutch.

It seems very odd to me that (1) NASDAQ can halt trading on any stock for any reason and (2) Yandex has promised its bondholders large considerations – enough to bankrupt the company – should their stock be suspended for more than 5 consecutive days. Even if you disregard the current crisis, how does a provision like 2 make sense for any company, considering 1? Was it just overconfidence? Or negligence?

Re:Yandex Provides Update on Impact of Current Developments by nieve on Saturday March 05, 2022 @12:09AM (#30564487)
It's a Russian founded, owned, operated, and dependent corporation that happens to be registered in Schiphol. It's not Dutch except for the registration.
Re:Yandex Provides Update on Impact of Current Developments by ausudhz on Saturday March 05, 2022 @01:13AM (#30564838)
Tax reasons. FCA had the same schema (the automaker, now part of Stellantis)
Re:Yandex Provides Update on Impact of Current Developments by Andrew_nenakhov on Saturday March 05, 2022 @01:58AM (#30565074)
Security reasons. If you own a company today, tomorrow it might belong to someone else. Russian courts are infamously far too flexible to tie any significant property to russian entities.
Re:Yandex Provides Update on Impact of Current Developments by ausudhz on Saturday March 05, 2022 @05:32AM (#30566240)
Is it? Any source that can confirm what you say?

Because I can see lots of Russian entities still based in Russia

Eg: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaspersky_Lab

Re:Yandex Provides Update on Impact of Current Developments by llamara on Saturday March 05, 2022 @06:37AM (#30566592)
Kaspersky has too many ties with the authorities anyway.

Russia is infamous for pressing businessmen to give up their assets. Evgeny Chichvarkin and Mikhail Khodorkovsky are quite interesting examples (check them out on wikipedia).

In Russia we say "the 1st rule of making business in Russia is to not host your business in Russia". Yandex and jetbrains are a good example of this rule! I really doubt that tax evasion was the primary goal of hosting Yandex's HQ in Netherlands

Re:Yandex Provides Update on Impact of Current Developments by laurent92 on Saturday March 05, 2022 @08:29PM (#30574038)
Does Jetbrains have ties with Russia? If so, I see a major blow that Russia could inflict tothe Western world…
Re:Yandex Provides Update on Impact of Current Developments by mdasen on Saturday March 05, 2022 @01:09AM (#30564818)
> Yandex has promised its bondholders large considerations – enough to bankrupt the company – should their stock be suspended for more than 5 consecutive days

I wouldn't say that they've promised large considerations. They've promised to redeem the bonds. If you bought the bonds assuming you'd convert them into stock and see a big gain, getting 0.75% interest on your money is really disappointing. I think it's also important to remember that before the Ruble fell off a cliff, they had around $1.25B in cash on hand.

They only promised bondholders "if we get delisted and therefore these aren't convertible bonds anymore (since we aren't trading), we'll redeem them from you at face value plus the 0.75% interest."

I'd also note that this feels like a release for regulatory requirements. I don't think Yandex expects all its investors to redeem their bonds. They're stating the risks even if the probability isn't high. I'm sure they're required to.

> how does a provision like 2 make sense for any company

The bonds carry almost no interest (just 0.75%) so Yandex was trading the convertibility of it into stock as a key selling point. If it isn't trading, then that convertibility isn't really something an investor can bank on.

You can see that other companies have some similar things around delisting events: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/0001822829/000119312..., http://www.hcsurgicalspecialists.com/images/PDF/29072019-HCS...

I'd also note that the terms sheet from Yandex seems a bit more generous than their press release indicates. It's not just being beholden to the NASDAQ since they do seem to offer up the NYSE as an alternative remedy. It also seems like there's the possibility for the shares to be "admitted to trading and/or listing on another internationally recognised, regularly operating and regulated stock exchange," but given that they are trading on other exchanges that doesn't seem to cover it (it's really hard to parse the language around it, try reading the "delisting event" criteria https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1513845/000110465920...).

Frankly, some things are hard to prepare for - and preparing for the worst can put you in a bad position in the 99% of cases that aren't the worst. Should they have issued a bond at 8% interest rather than the convertible bonds at 0.75% interest? In the 99% of cases where Russia doesn't cause the world to go against it, that's potentially a huge waste of money that lets competitors get an opening against you. The NASDAQ isn't just suspending trading on companies on a whim. They have a compelling business interest to seem reliable to companies. The NYSE and NASDAQ are both reviewing new US sanctions to see how they'd fit in (https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news-...).

It's actually kinda shocking that the world is caring about this invasion. Russia invaded Georgia in 2008 and no one really cared. Russia invaded Ukraine (Crimea) in 2014 and no one really cared. Russia had already started things rolling in Eastern Ukraine (Donetsk) a year ago and no one really cared. It's probably coming as a huge shock to a lot of Russian companies that the West is caring this time. It's probably coming as a shock to Putin. Russia invaded and annexed part of Ukraine 8 years ago and while we might have thought it was bad, we didn't really do much about it.

Delistings aren't common and it seems like the wrong thing to hedge against (without the benefit of hindsight). In normal times, if Yandex were delisted and investors wanted to be redeemed, they'd just sell some bonds at 8% interest and redeem the 0.75% interest bonds. They might not want to sell bonds at that interest, but they could. In normal times, the Ruble would be worth more and they'd have the money to cover the bonds. In normal times, they wouldn't be worried about whether they could exfiltrate cash from Russia. It's just a crazy time to be a company like Yandex where you're not going to be able to raise money (pretty much) regardless of the interest rate you offer.

Even in this situation and even if most investors want to redeem, Yandex isn't with no options. Yandex could always offer to exchange the notes for other notes. "Your notes that you can force me to redeem were convertible at $45/share? I'll give you notes convertible at $35/share to stick it out." Sure, it's painful to water down investors, but less painful than ending the company. Sure, some investors will still want to cash out, but you can sweeten the pot to keep enough holding.

All sorts of improbable things can happen to companies. Apple could remove Facebook from the iPhone. Apple's anti-tracking moves have seen Facebook's shares dip 38%. China could invade Taiwan and Apple could be left without processors for a decent amount of time. China could ban the iPhone or prevent iPhone manufacture in China. Facebook and Apple have a much better ability to hedge than someone like Yandex.

I don't think it was over-confidence or negligence. I think this is a really improbable thing to happen to them. They wanted a 0.75% interest bond offering and if something went wrong, they could just borrow at 5-10% to pay back redemptions. That's a better plan than just borrowing at 5-10% in the first place. It's not like Russian companies were targeted like this for other Russian invasions. All of a sudden, companies are suspending service to Russia - even consumer goods and services. Like, Netflix is suspending service in Russia - as if random Russians getting entertained by Netflix is helping their war effort. And I'm not saying Netflix shouldn't suspend service there, but it shows how far things have shifted in a matter of weeks. Russia had already invaded and annexed Crimea and had already supported rebels in eastern Ukraine and basically broken it off from the rest of Ukraine.

I just think it's hard to imagine this becoming a company-threatening event in normal circumstances and I think Russia really wasn't prepared for how much the West would hate their new invasion of Ukraine. In normal circumstances, they have the cash available and/or they just raise some other money to pay the bondholders and it's not a big deal.

Re:Yandex Provides Update on Impact of Current Developments by whatsapps2020 on Saturday March 05, 2022 @02:12AM (#30565170)
I enjoyed reading this comment. It explains a complex situation in simple language
Re:Yandex Provides Update on Impact of Current Developments by brnt on Saturday March 05, 2022 @02:27AM (#30565263)
Many companies, like Netflix, are suspending services because they have no way of getting paid anymore. As of this week, Russians don't have credit cards or convertible currency anymore.
Re:Yandex Provides Update on Impact of Current Developments by dunkelheit on Saturday March 05, 2022 @03:16AM (#30565521)
> Many companies, like Netflix, are suspending services because they have no way of getting paid anymore. As of this week, Russians don't have credit cards or convertible currency anymore.

That's not true. International payments with cards issued by non-sanctioned banks continue to work.

Re:Yandex Provides Update on Impact of Current Developments by laurent92 on Saturday March 05, 2022 @08:34PM (#30574077)
Visa and Mastercard banned international payments with Russia.
Re:Yandex Provides Update on Impact of Current Developments by brnt on Saturday March 05, 2022 @03:58AM (#30565779)
And guess which banks are sanctioned?
Re:Yandex Provides Update on Impact of Current Developments by dunkelheit on Saturday March 05, 2022 @04:22AM (#30565900)
Some of them are, some of them are not. What's your point? Your original statement is emphatically not true because cards issued by many of the biggest consumer banks (among them Sberbank, Alfabank) continue to work internationally. And internally all cards continue to work. So please don't spread rumors if you don't have access to accurate information.
Re:Yandex Provides Update on Impact of Current Developments by brnt on Saturday March 05, 2022 @04:55AM (#30566073)
My original comments wasn't just about cards. If Russia is anything like the rrest of Europe, most people will have set it up with direct debit anyway.

The point is: the biggest reason for Netflix and co. is being unable to get paid through the channels people are using. The fact that you can if you're savvy was never the sort of hoops companies want to require their customers to jump through.

Please don't speak on the accuracy of comments when clearly you have no idea yourself.

Re:Yandex Provides Update on Impact of Current Developments by twoodfin on Friday March 04, 2022 @09:46PM (#30563635)
The bond holders aren’t dumb. Presumably a contingency like this was more or less what they had in mind.
Re:Yandex Provides Update on Impact of Current Developments by jacquesm on Saturday March 05, 2022 @02:54AM (#30565411)
Tax evasion.
Re:Yandex Provides Update on Impact of Current Developments by jacquesm on Saturday March 05, 2022 @02:54AM (#30565410)
It is just as Dutch as IKEA.
Re:Yandex Provides Update on Impact of Current Developments by MattGaiser on Friday March 04, 2022 @11:15PM (#30564188)
Bondholders would want a greater risk premium for not having the provision.
Re:Yandex Provides Update on Impact of Current Developments by onlyrealcuzzo on Saturday March 05, 2022 @12:33AM (#30564618)
> NASDAQ can halt trading on any stock for any reason

Source?

Re:Yandex Provides Update on Impact of Current Developments by ausudhz on Saturday March 05, 2022 @01:15AM (#30564848)
There are rules to be in the exchange and so on

https://listingcenter.nasdaq.com/rulebook/nasdaq/rules/nasda...

Aside from that sometimes there are also political moves that might affect listing/delisting.

Re:Yandex Provides Update on Impact of Current Developments by uo21tp5hoyg on Saturday March 05, 2022 @03:14AM (#30565507)
Just like all those Irish tech giants.