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Re:YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denyi... by jmull on Friday March 04, 2022 @09:24PM (#30563479)
Youtube doesn’t have any kind of monopoly on posting videos to the internet.

What they do have is a brand and a social network that surfaces, promotes, and moderates video content to drive engagement and ad views.

They’ve grown large by moderating and curating content but now that they’ve done so they should no longer be allowed to moderate and curate content? Makes no sense whatsoever.

You’re pronouncing youtube a “public square”, which should therefore be seized by the government… But what is this extremely strong claim based on? youtube is just one of an endless series of options for posting videos on the internet.

Re:YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denyi... by user3939382 on Friday March 04, 2022 @10:17PM (#30563865)
> Youtube doesn’t have any kind of monopoly on posting videos to the internet

Of course they do. There are channels that can be removed that would instantly lose access to millions of monthly viewers that can't practically be replaced anywhere. They have a monopoly on that type of reach (the most important type), and especially when these platforms decide to blacklist in concert.

> now that they’ve done so they should no longer be allowed to moderate and curate content

Yes, because once your business decisions have the power to decide who gets elected President, for example, it's in a different class and has to be regulated differently than a corner flower shop. There are many examples of laws and regulations that apply to business based on size.

> what is this extremely strong claim based on? youtube is just one of an endless series of options for posting videos on the internet

Again, it's not one of endless, it is entirely unique -- for many channels, their reach on YouTube is not replaceable anywhere. That's like saying, AT&T can shut off your phone service for your political opinions because you can always go meet someone in person to talk. That's simply not how we've historically agreed to interpret the obligations of massive communications platforms, and there's a very good reason for that.

I don't want who gets to speak to the public decided by some faceless, unelected tech oligarchs. That's a dystopia. "They only get to decide if you easily get access to an audience of millions, you can always get an audience of 5" is a deeply flawed argument.

Re:YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denyi... by PaulDavisThe1st on Friday March 04, 2022 @10:47PM (#30564049)
I'm sympathetic, but you're going to have to define some thresholds.

If I set up Paul's Video Hosting Service next week, and someone wants to post videos of kittens being tortured, I'm not hosting their videos. I'm not even hosting videos of a presidential candidate making certain pronouncements. No US court would agree that I should be forced to do so.

To whatever extent it is reasonable for YT to be forced to host any legal content, where's the boundary between the putative pvhs.com and youtube.com?

Re:YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denyi... by adam_arthur on Friday March 04, 2022 @10:20PM (#30563880)
Lots of logical leaps here.

Utilities haven't been "seized" by the government because there are regulations on them. Telecoms haven't been seized by the government.

YouTube has monopoly level dominance in terms of engagement. Competitors can't gain market share because YouTube is already prevalent, and video is a "solved" problem. Consumer gets no benefit by using a different platform, and there is essentially no product feature that could be invented to make an alternative platform compelling enough to use over YouTube.

Instead of regulating YouTube, we could define an open database/protocol of video content and allow anybody to build a UI around the same set of content. In that way, there is no network effect gating people into a single platform. This is where things will likely trend in the longer run with social etc. And I would bet the free market will get to it eventually.

Then YouTube is just a web UI. And I guarantee you in this world there would be many other widely used sites, as there's no content/network effect lock.

Monopolies appear on the basis where it is effectively unreasonable to expect a competitor to form. E.g. railroads. Anybody can build their own railroad. Is it going to happen in practice? No, because cost to do so is prohibitively high.

Re:YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denyi... by lprd on Friday March 04, 2022 @10:41PM (#30564012)
> Youtube doesn’t have any kind of monopoly on posting videos to the internet.

A quick search[0] shows that YouTube dominates ~76% of the market. Do you really believe your own statement?

[0] https://www.datanyze.com/market-share/online-video--12/youtu...