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Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by ZeroGravitas on Friday March 04, 2022 @07:12AM (#30553614)
Glad I still hated him from when he tried to destroy the web, open source and various technical interoperability standards and free markets.

Seems a lot of people liked that his wife encouraged him to spend all his ill-gotten gains on charitable causes. I generally prefer people not to steal and undermine society in the first place.

Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by chirau on Friday March 04, 2022 @07:18AM (#30553651)
Would you have preferred that he didn't spend his gains on charity?

EDIT: Also, did Bill Gates steal anything? Manipulation and monopolies are fundamentally wrong, but they do not amount to stealing. IF they do, then the Carnegies and Rockefellers were 'stealing' as well. Maybe, by your logic, we should take away all those libraries Carnegie built too?

Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by potamic on Friday March 04, 2022 @08:09AM (#30554159)
Warren Buffet's son had something interesting to say about this.

> As more lives and communities are destroyed by the system that creates vast amounts of wealth for the few, the more heroic it sounds to “give back.” It’s what I would call “conscience laundering” — feeling better about accumulating more than any one person could possibly need to live on by sprinkling a little around as an act of charity. But this just keeps the existing structure of inequality in place. The rich sleep better at night, while others get just enough to keep the pot from boiling over. Nearly every time someone feels better by doing good, on the other side of the world (or street), someone else is further locked into a system that will not allow the true flourishing of his or her nature or the opportunity to live a joyful and fulfilled life.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/27/opinion/the-charitable-in...

Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by crispyambulance on Friday March 04, 2022 @07:35AM (#30553826)
It's sad that the world depends on the largess of a billionaire for basic disease eradication. That's really the job of governments and their public health departments, but yeah, there are worse things he could spend his money on (see Koch bros).

None of us know much or anything at all about the ethics of Gates, I think it's even unfair to smear his name with Epstein's unless there's actual evidence/allegations of something (Epstein did seek out tychoons, after all, perhaps he was slowly working up to enticing Gates into something compromising?).

Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by zozbot234 on Friday March 04, 2022 @09:23AM (#30555146)
Government intervention should always be a last resort, since it inherently involves coercion and violation of people's rights as opposed to voluntary action. We should be glad that people are willing to donate to charitable efforts that address critical problems such as disease.
Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by alophawen on Friday March 04, 2022 @07:23AM (#30553700)
He literally said what he preferred:

> I generally prefer people not to steal and undermine society in the first place.

Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by petilon on Friday March 04, 2022 @08:12AM (#30554206)
> Also, did Bill Gates steal anything?

Wow, what a question! Some would argue that all he did was steal! Is there anything Microsoft did that was not stolen from somewhere else? Starting with the Basic interpreter that got Gates started. That was stolen from DEC. Isn't .NET and C# a copy of Java? It may or may not be theft in a legal sense, but morally it certainly is!

Microsoft's software development process is program-manager driven. That means even when they hire smart developers, they don't give the developers a free rein. Instead PMs decide what you will do. And where do PMs get ideas? By looking at competitors' products. That's why Microsoft is not an innovative company.

Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by tzs on Friday March 04, 2022 @11:45AM (#30557108)
> Starting with the Basic interpreter that got Gates started. That was stolen from DEC.

Uhm...no. The DEC computer they used when developing Altair BASIC was a PDP-10. DEC BASIC and Altair BASIC were both written in assembly language. The differences in architecture and memory constraints between a PDP-10 and an 8080 are too great for it to be feasible to steal code. At best you could use the PDP-10 code to learn some algorithms and then write your own versions for the 8080.

What people saying it was stolen from DEC are probably doing is getting confused over Gates and Allen's use of an 8080 emulator they had written earlier for PDP-10. When they decided to do an Altair BASIC they modified their 8080 emulator to be an Altair emulator and did all the testing and debugging of their 8080 BASIC on that since they did not have access to an actual Altair 8080.

That PDP-10 was owned by Harvard, and there was some question over whether or not using it for a commercial project like that was something students were allowed to do using their free accounts.

Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by petilon on Friday March 04, 2022 @02:33PM (#30559312)
> The differences in architecture and memory constraints between a PDP-10 and an 8080 are too great for it to be feasible to steal code.

So if I take someone else's assembly code and port it to a new architecture then that's not a derivative work? Interesting stance!

Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by chirau on Friday March 04, 2022 @10:55AM (#30556458)
I am glad you recognize that technically what you have explained is not stealing.

>> That's why Microsoft is not an innovative company.

You may not like the company, but it is definitely an innovative company. They may not innovate on the things you are drawn to, but they definitely innovate. A lot too.

Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by redprince on Friday March 04, 2022 @11:19AM (#30556768)
> You may not like the company, but it is definitely an innovative company. They may not innovate on the things you are drawn to, but they definitely innovate. A lot too.

They certainly innovated world leading business strategies like "embrace, extend and extinguish".

As far as technical ideas and innovation are regarded, I have not seen a single instance of something they built which was not a copy or an extension of something which had been seen before.

Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by cudgy on Friday March 04, 2022 @11:47AM (#30557134)
Sounds like Apple too. Steve Jobs was a master at copying technologies but evolving them into arguably better mousetraps. Electric cars have been around for over 100 years But Elon musk evolved them and brought them to the masses. These examples abound.
Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by yodon on Friday March 04, 2022 @11:16AM (#30556726)
This is how innovation works. New ideas build off previous ideas. Companies launch products after seeing what else is in the market. The legal system determines when this is an allowed and when it isn't, that's why that legal system exists.

If you have an idea that is so new, so unique, so different and unprecedented that no one else has ever had a similar idea or done something remotely similar, there's almost certainly something profoundly wrong with it.

Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by petilon on Friday March 04, 2022 @02:39PM (#30559373)
The legal system is imperfect, and that leaves plenty of opportunity for unscrupulous people to take advantage of other people's work. In popular opinion that may get called theft, even if it is not illegal.

> If you have an idea that is so new, so unique, so different and unprecedented...

Telephone, television etc. were pretty unique. Even the iPhone is so different from what came before it that it is truly innovative. Even people who know Apple is working on a phone, and expected something awesome, were blown away when the product was finally revealed. That's innovation.

Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by tjpnz on Friday March 04, 2022 @08:16AM (#30554239)
It's impossible to quantify by how much but the widespread adoption of open source seen in the 2000s might've come sooner if Gates wasn't actively trying to hobble it. Where the world might be today is something which bothers me.
Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by avgcorrection on Friday March 04, 2022 @09:22AM (#30555118)
> IF they do, then the Carnegies and Rockefellers were 'stealing' as well.

Rockefeller was called a robber baron.

Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by orwin on Friday March 04, 2022 @09:59AM (#30555733)
Andrew Carnegie was a robber baron too.

I think the Appalachians still have memories of those "great" men.

Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by CPLX on Friday March 04, 2022 @07:30AM (#30553771)
Yes I would prefer the government take it from him in the form of taxes, allowing a democratic process to determine how the money is spent.
Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by Eddy_Viscosity2 on Friday March 04, 2022 @07:39AM (#30553861)
Or to have prevented him doing all those anti-competitive practices that led to all that money. Remember when you couldn't buy a PC without also buying windows, even if you wanted to use a different OS. F Bill Gates.
Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by scld on Friday March 04, 2022 @08:19AM (#30554286)
Like an iPhone?
Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by anders_p on Friday March 04, 2022 @08:30AM (#30554418)
> Like an iPhone?

No, not at all like an iPhone.

If there was a line of PC's with Windows installed, like the iPhones, it wouldn't have been a problem.

Not long ago, it was literally impossible to buy a PC in regular stores, without it having Windows pre-installed.

Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA on Friday March 04, 2022 @12:57PM (#30558047)
Not to mention the fact that computer manufacturers who offered Linux instead still had to pay Microsoft a Windows royalty for each machine.

https://www.justice.gov/atr/competitive-impact-statement-us-...

Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by eaplmx on Friday March 04, 2022 @07:58AM (#30554045)
Broken democracy, but government by the people at the end

https://web.archive.org/web/20220302212243/https://medium.co...

Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by cloutchaser on Friday March 04, 2022 @07:32AM (#30553795)
Ah, because governments spend money according to democratic process... Yes.
Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by anders_p on Friday March 04, 2022 @08:33AM (#30554464)
That's literally how it works...

You can vote for someone different, if you are unhappy with how the politicians in charge spend money.

You have no say whatsoever, in how billionaires and oligarchs choose to spend theirs.

Not sure how you could even come to any other conclusion?

Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by CPLX on Friday March 04, 2022 @07:34AM (#30553809)
Yes. Governments where the leaders are selected by voting are taking action via a democratic process.
Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by ss108 on Friday March 04, 2022 @07:54AM (#30553997)
?? Yes, in the US, for example, POTUS submits budget for Fed Gov executive branch, Congress approves. Congress generally has power of the purse.
Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by anothernewdude on Friday March 04, 2022 @07:51AM (#30553963)
He also had an initiative to really screw over education in America.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/bill-melinda-gates-founda...

Re:Melinda Gates: Bill's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein l... by tim333 on Friday March 04, 2022 @08:38AM (#30554536)
>ill-gotten gains

I've personally given some of that money in return for MS Windows, Office, Excel etc. I'm not sure what's ill gotten about that?