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Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'... by JohnBooty on Friday March 04, 2022 @01:06AM (#30551240)

    If we can make energy storage simple and cheap enough
If you're thinking of big Tesla Powerwall-style batteries, that just kicks the problem ahead by a few years or decades.

The materials needed to make those batteries are finite. They will become "the new oil" in N years.

Energy storage is going to be a big part of any sane energy future, but it's going to have to make heavy usage of non-battery means: giant flywheels? Pumping water? I don't know.

Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'... by theshrike79 on Friday March 04, 2022 @01:26AM (#30551337)
You're right that the current state of battery tech is woefully inefficient for any kind of grid-level storage.

But energy can be stored by pumping heated water to deep wells in the bedrock for example or you can use excess power to generate hydrogen and feed it back to the grid via fuel cells when needed. All of this is doable, but also slow to build and currently expensive.

Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'... by ciphol on Friday March 04, 2022 @03:32AM (#30552133)
The materials in those batteries can be recycled into new batteries indefinitely.
Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'... by mdoms on Friday March 04, 2022 @05:55AM (#30553070)
And when we need to create additional batteries...?
Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'... by jliptzin on Friday March 04, 2022 @10:05AM (#30555809)
What element in a battery is destroyed during its lifetime that cannot be recycled?
Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'... by JohnBooty on Friday March 04, 2022 @10:30AM (#30556121)
What percentage of batteries are actually recycled? How much energy does recycling them take? What toxic byproducts are produced as part of the recycling process? What will future demand for batteries be, and how long will our supplies of lithium etc. last? Who controls the lithium supplies?

This is not an argument against recycling batteries, by the way. Chemical batteries are a big part of the future, and we should recycle them. But let's not be glib about any of these choices.

Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'... by jliptzin on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @12:14PM (#30602458)
Is it possible the raw materials to make these batteries are so abundant right now that it’s much cheaper to just make new ones than recycle old ones?
Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'... by spopejoy on Friday March 04, 2022 @03:59PM (#30560495)
> They will become "the new oil" in N years.

The existential problem with oil is climate change, not finite resources.