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Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by 29athrowaway on Thursday March 03, 2022 @09:45PM (#30550009)
It's not an apples to apples comparison.

Chechnya population in 1992 was about 800,000. Ukraine has a population of 41,000,000.

Chechnya did not receive military or humanitarian aid, and if it did, it was not as substantial as what Ukraine is receiving now. Ukrainian allies are supplying fuel, food, vehicles, weapons, training, volunteers, humanitarian aid, intelligence, etc.

Russia back then was not sanctioned economically to the extent we see today or kicked out of the banking system. For example, the Soviet Union had banks in the SWIFT system. Now, Russia has been completely isolated: Russian companies cannot do business internationally due to being unable to transfer money or process payments, the value of Russian company stocks has gone to zero, their stock exchange ceased operations (temporarily), their population are doing bank runs, their currency is worth nothing and its economy is expected to collapse soon.

And, unlike Russian equipment where most of the equipment spending has been diverted to corrupt endeavors, Ukrainian military equipment works. Most Russian military equipment now doesn't meet their own specifications.

Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by thematrixturtle on Friday March 04, 2022 @01:33AM (#30551385)
I agree Ukraine will be a much tougher situation for Russia to conquer and hold onto, but you also exaggerate the extent of their economic pain:

> Now, Russia has been completely isolated: Russian companies cannot do business internationally due to being unable to transfer money or process payments, the value of Russian company stocks has gone to zero, their stock exchange ceased operations (temporarily), their population are doing bank runs, their currency is worth nothing and its economy is expected to collapse soon.

Russian companies can do business with the world outside the "West", notably China, which is already a voracious consumer of Russian raw materials. The stocks that crashed to zero are the ones listed in Western stock exchanges, not the ones in Russia itself. Yes, the currency has halved, but it has done so many, many times before since 1990. So while the economy will certainly take a beating, it's not going to "collapse" entirely.

Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by 29athrowaway on Friday March 04, 2022 @02:47AM (#30551837)
My predictions on the Russian invasion of Ukraine:

1. Water flow through the North Crimean Canal is restored.

2. Kyiv is surrounded from all directions. Ukranian president dies in combat.

3. Odessa is surrounded from the north, then the Russian navy attacks it from the Black sea. Population is forced to evacuate.

4. Donetsk and Luhansk become fully annexed by Russia.

5. Kharkiv is surrounded from all directions.

6. Russian economy collapses. Putin's key supporters turn against him and stage a coup.

7. Ukraine negotiates a ceasefire, then joins the European Union.

8. Unless Ukraine signed a peace treaty granting territory to Russia, Russia will be forced to give up all annexed territories.

Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by thaumasiotes on Friday March 04, 2022 @07:43AM (#30553891)
> Donetsk and Luhansk become fully annexed by Russia.

It's always possible, but Russia started the war by recognizing their independence from Ukraine. This is the kind of thing that would happen after the war concluded ("we held a referendum and they decided to rejoin Russia"); it'd be kind of strange during a war the purpose of which is to grant them independence.

Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by 29athrowaway on Friday March 04, 2022 @10:34AM (#30556180)
Donetsk and Luhansk already held referendums, but they were considered fraudulent.
Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by denton-scratch on Friday March 04, 2022 @08:08AM (#30554150)
> Ukranian president dies in combat.

That presupposes that he joins the armed forces; at the moment, he is a non-combatant. If he is shot, that would make him a victim of assassination, not a combat casualty.

> Ukraine negotiates a ceasefire, then joins the European Union.

Wooh! Just join! It takes a while to join the EU. Ask Turkey.

Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by Sol- on Friday March 04, 2022 @09:28AM (#30555230)
Would be nice if the EU sped up the accession of whatever is left of Ukraine after this war, if only to protect it from further Russian imperialism.

That said, I sadly doubt Ukraine will survive this ordeal.

Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by ignoramous on Friday March 04, 2022 @09:56AM (#30555684)
> That said, I sadly doubt Ukraine will survive this ordeal.

Well, not if Russian and Ukrainian diplomats can get it together and see this conflict to a amicable conclusion. Ceasefire has to be top priority for the Ukrainian diplomats (as in, liberally accept conditions that stops the war). Whatever the new arrangement for the two countries look like will also probably take weeks, if not months, to draft up and agree to.

With their risky foreign policy, NATO dared Russia, and they called their bluff on it. It is time to accept that Russia didn't hesitate, and it'd be very prudent to move to limit the damage instead. That is, NATO should refrain from making matters worse by feeding the war, as it were, by arming Ukraine's civilians and sanctioning Russian business interests, among other things.

China isn't siding with NATO, and so far, India hasn't too (it may not, since in the century gone by, Russia has bailed out India in multiple wars against CENTO / US-aided Pakistan).

In sum, this is a dangerous enough situation to escalate any further as the West has done, even if without sending its military.

Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by denton-scratch on Friday March 04, 2022 @09:45AM (#30555498)
The EU is an economic union, not a military union. It's not in a position to protect anyone from military threats.

I happen to believe that Russia has over-reached itself rather badly; they aren't administering any of the territory they've got troops in, including the single city they've overrun (it's being administered by the incumbent mayor). Most of their supply columns seem to be bogged down, either by resistance or by mud. The best troops they have are paras in the south, and mercenaries around Kiev. Both groups have so far failed to achieve their objectives. The rest seem to be demoralised conscripts.

You use conscripts and mercenaries as cannon-fodder at the front of your attack; I imagine Russia will bring up better equipped and trained troops once they have suppressed Ukrainian air defences, and can provide close air support.

I think it's going to be long and nasty.

Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by 29athrowaway on Friday March 04, 2022 @10:27AM (#30556080)
The European Union is a federation of countries and they do have the equivalent of a department of defense among other institutions.

In Ukraine, once the supply lines are cut, the main cities may fall. Once one city falls, the invaders will move on to other cities and start an avalanche effect.

Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by umanwizard on Friday March 04, 2022 @01:50AM (#30551473)
Only some Russian banks have been cut off from SWIFT, not all, and their currency has only dropped 30% or so, which is far from being “worth nothing”.

Yes, Russia’s economy is being severely crippled. But you exaggerate the extent significantly.

Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by gruturo on Friday March 04, 2022 @07:50AM (#30553947)
Exactly zero russian banks have been cut off from SWIFT so far. The cut will only happen on March 12th.

Source: SWIFT itself. https://www.swift.com/news-events/news/message-swift-communi...

Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by umanwizard on Friday March 04, 2022 @07:58AM (#30554037)
Indeed. So I should have said only some Russian banks are even going to be cut off from SWIFT (at least as far as we know now).
Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by jjtheblunt on Thursday March 03, 2022 @10:21PM (#30550300)
are there citations for the assertions about military equipment status?
Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by bpodgursky on Thursday March 03, 2022 @11:10PM (#30550618)
I can't be bothered to look it up but Ukraine has spent a lot of time and money refurbishing their army after the 2014 crisis (where their army performed poorly against the separatists and Russians).

It's not "modern", but it is functional.