Re:The decline and fall of Java on the desktop
by kaba0 on Thursday March 03, 2022 @10:36AM
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> pointers-as-explicit-references are far easier to comprehend than Java's esoterica.
What is esoteric about Java’s references? They are basically equivalent to C pointers without arithmetics and marketed as references. It is pretty much the same for most high level languages.
Re:The decline and fall of Java on the desktop
by ethbr0 on Thursday March 03, 2022 @03:19PM
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The object/primitive distinction, which seems like something an intro CS student really shouldn't be wasting their time learning.
IMHO, the C-style */& was far clearer when I was first learning to program. Especially since you could just echo out the (virtual) memory address.
Re:The decline and fall of Java on the desktop
by kaba0 on Thursday March 03, 2022 @03:28PM
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The object/primitive distinction is pretty much the very short list of primitives (even written with lower case letters) vs every other type.
> IMHO, the C-style */& was far clearer when I was first learning to program
Tell that to the million segfaults that students learning C experience (or worse, they don’t even get it!!)
Re:The decline and fall of Java on the desktop
by ethbr0 on Thursday March 03, 2022 @05:34PM
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Yes, int vs Integer. It does make sense that those would function differently. /s ;)
And C definitely has some inscrutable errors, but to me once I understood them, they always made sense in computer terms. Whereas Java errors and oddities only make sense in Java terms.
Said as someone who took intro computer science at 2 universities across 3 courses (C/C++, Python, Java), due engineering to art to computer science major switching.
I understand why Java did what they did, from a performance standpoint, but that's a poor highest value to hold for education use.
And in retrospect, was batshit user-hostile. F.ex. with a few more keywords and rules, C# smoothed off so many rough edges.