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Re:Launch HN: Evry Health (YC W18) – Better health insurance... by pierre on Wednesday March 02, 2022 @12:51PM (#30530300)
First of all congrats on the launch, we need more innovation in the space and I applaud your efforts. Here are some thoughts / questions if you want to answer them

> We have [...] benefits that exceed the best plans from legacy insurers.

You claim that your product is better than some of the competition, but do not demonstrate it (here or on your website). At this point it seems to me that every insurer claim that they have the best plan with no way for me to know easily.

I think the key issue of the industry as a whole is that there is no way for client to compare insurance product beyond pricing. A product that could look better at covering lenses for example because it cover up to $2000/year vs another that cover up to $350 may actually be worse because of some widely applicable exclusion written into the contract.

What are your thoughts on this point?

> On top of that, we reduce premiums by up to 20% for employers. We can do this because we are a software company that owns an insurance carrier. We automate roughly half the tasks involved with claims, care coordination, underwriting and back-office operations. We aggregate data from disparate sources (claims, clinical, pharma, lab, and wellness data) to make superior decisions and aid patients. Our technology helps members identify and treat conditions earlier and more effectively. We also have a much better user experience—a single portal to access telehealth, care concierge, claims data, wellness plan, doctor lookup, rewards card, etc.

You claim to be able to reduce cost because of your tech, and I believe compare to legacy carrier, your IT / Process are cheaper to run today (I believe that legacy carrier spend ~5-10% of their revenue on IT). From my observation the insurance industry is quite bad at getting ride of legacy systems (for compliance, once you decommission a system you sometime need to prove that the new system run the old policy the same way, or just because to many process optimisation software has been build on top of the legacy system making it extremely costly to sunset). How do you plan to maintain this cost down once you extend to new states / product /over time, to keep this cost advantage?

> Since half of Americans get health coverage through their employer, we’re focused on companies to maximize impact.

I understand that B2B distribution is easier than B2C, but this can go against your mission of changing healthcare incentives for mutual benefits. You customer are the Employers, and their incentives are to reduce cost and to maintain their employee healthy short term, whereas employee would like to have better access to healthcare (higher cost) and to stay healthy Long term. How will you find balance here? What happen when a a major client as you to cut cost for their plan to the expense of the employee coverage and you need to keep them as a client to keep the company afloat.

Re:Launch HN: Evry Health (YC W18) – Better health insurance... by jstartz26 on Wednesday March 02, 2022 @02:05PM (#30531374)
Product comparison: that’s fair – only so much you can fit in an announcement post. We completely agree it is difficult to compare benefits (even for competent HR departments) but it is even more confusing for individuals. We try to make this clearer and transparent when working with employers during the quoting process. Benefit coverage gets boiled down to “actuarial value” and quantified as a number relative to the benefits mandated under the Affordable Care Act. This is presented alongside the financial quote and compared to competing bids. It also helps to actually read through our Schedule of Benefits Coverage– even at the individual level it is apparent what the differences are in our benefit plan vs every other SBC we have seen.

If you were to judge the quality only by price (all else equal), underwriting for this segment is done at the employer level – so savings can vary significantly from company to company. We’ve had quotes that matched other bids, and we’ve presented offers as much as 35% less (on a cash basis, not actuarial) than other insurer’s annual price hikes.

Overall, I cannot agree more with your comment that comparison is hard. There is not a lot of transparency in this market segment because of the unique considerations that go into underwriting each group. Plus, a lot of the companies (startups included) that people find appealing are playing games with coverage, especially playing around with deductibles and copays. It’s currently very difficult to make it super clear without just sitting down with the person/employer and talking through the benefits.

Re:Launch HN: Evry Health (YC W18) – Better health insurance... by pierre on Wednesday March 02, 2022 @04:23PM (#30533376)
Regarding product comparaison it is possible to build a computable model of your policy and the major competitor, and from there automatically benchmark them to find key difference in coverage (what is the maximum delta) or running them through a set predefined claim scenario. It will however require ~3-5 day of work per policy to build the models. Beyond the marketing effort this models can also be reused for risk management / claim management / leakage prevention if implemented right.
Re:Launch HN: Evry Health (YC W18) – Better health insurance... by mjamilkowski on Wednesday March 02, 2022 @04:29PM (#30533439)
Yes it would be possible - and I know of a couple of benefits consultants that have tried to do this, but bias and independence is a vexing issue. Keep the ideas coming!
Re:Launch HN: Evry Health (YC W18) – Better health insurance... by aquaphile on Wednesday March 02, 2022 @02:09PM (#30531439)
> How do you plan to maintain this cost down once you extend to new states / product /over time, to keep this cost advantage?

You are correct that the legacy insurance industry struggles with tech and compliance. I've had the fortune (misfortune?) of being a part of writing and managing policy, claims, rating, and other insurance systems. It is common for a large, legacy insurer to have tens of policy systems and tens of claims systems operating in parallel due to many years of acquisitions and mergers.

Technology is a huge part of our cost advantage, but it isn’t the only factor. We also benefit from our product design, underwriting, provider network structure, etc.

Technology automation and efficiency allows us to a) lower G&A about 10 points and pass through the savings to our customers, and b) reduce delays and duplications in care.

The pure technology cost actually decreases for us over time, on a PMPM basis, as we grow membership. Adding new states and products doesn’t require new systems for us. We just have to make some configuration additions. Architecturally, we’ve built a federation of micro-services and we host on a cloud provider (Azure).

Re:Launch HN: Evry Health (YC W18) – Better health insurance... by mjamilkowski on Wednesday March 02, 2022 @02:13PM (#30531487)
For B2B, it’s worth noting that most Americans still receive their health coverage through employers, and this is especially true for the 200-2,000 company size segment. Meeting the majority of people where they are seems to be a reasonably impactful way of starting change. We can make a considerable impact for companies with 100 employees. We can make a massive impact for companies with more than 400. We currently are not geared to do much for individuals, but we’ll get there. https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/total-population/

B2B is scalable for launch, giving us access to information and leverage that is not achievable in the individual space without significant expense and economic loss. Starting in this market segment gives us a profitable platform to expand into other coverage areas and consider adjacent market segments. That said, we believe our approach which is intensely focused on quality will drive cost savings that satisfy employers. The 3-year rate-lock option helps to demonstrate results and builds confidence in our approach without demanding changes to plan designs that may be injurious to the employee’s long-term health.

I’m not sure I completely follow your question about changing coverage to keep an employer to keep the company afloat. Our plans are approved by the state and we cannot change benefits during the year. We cannot slash benefits to reduce costs to keep a client. That would be detrimental to the employer’s business model too because it would severely impact their ability to attract and retain talent. Trying to reduce benefits would have the opposite effect and increase costs, like the delays caused by high deductibles.

Re:Launch HN: Evry Health (YC W18) – Better health insurance... by pierre on Wednesday March 02, 2022 @04:16PM (#30533279)
Thanks for your answer. I'm not American so not really familiar with your health system. Agreed that B2B will be easier to scale given acquisition cost. However scaling with corporate client limit you in your ability to do good risk selection as I believe you will have to accept all employees.
Re:Launch HN: Evry Health (YC W18) – Better health insurance... by mjamilkowski on Wednesday March 02, 2022 @04:27PM (#30533425)
Underwriting a whole group actually gives us protection from risk selection and creates a more population based risk which is more stable. Yes there will be individuals that have extreme expenses, which is why we have reinsurance. It is the principle of risk pooling and credibility.