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Re:Nord Stream 2 declares bankruptcy by echelon on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @05:00PM (#30520645)
> I wonder if they have given China extra pause in their stance toward Taiwan.

> If Putin loses in Ukraine, could that also mean the end of his regime in Russia? The Russian people are standing up to him.

If we see a loss of Putin's power in Russia as the world and his own population lionizes against him, a botched Taiwanese invasion could lead to a similar outcome in China.

Lots of food to chew on for the strategists.

Re:Nord Stream 2 declares bankruptcy by kelnos on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @09:06PM (#30522795)
More likely, to me, is that China will see what did and didn't work with Russia's invasion or Ukraine, and take those learnings when they go for Taiwan. I unfortunately don't see Taiwan's position getting better because of any of this.

Also, I expect that the Chinese government has tighter control ("physically" and propaganda-wise) of their people than is the case in Russia. So I don't know that we'd see demonstrations or protests if China invaded Taiwan. Also I would guess that more people in China believe that Taiwan should be ruled by Beijing than people in Russia who believe Ukraine should be ruled by Moscow. Unfortunately I can't find polling numbers on this, which isn't surprising, as that data may not exist outside of some Chinese intelligence system.

Re:Nord Stream 2 declares bankruptcy by jorgesborges on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @05:43PM (#30521052)
A key difference is that Chinese citizens, soldiers, and leaders won’t lionize against the state. Nationalism is total. But no doubt China is taking notes.
Re:Nord Stream 2 declares bankruptcy by echelon on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @05:54PM (#30521178)
Last time I was there (in college during Obama's presidency), most of the students I got close to secretly told me they disliked their leaders but couldn't do anything about it.

I attended lectures taught by incredibly nationalistic professors with an almost religiously fervent level of support for the CCP's "triumph over the America and the world" (paraphrase, but true to the content). Most of the young folks either didn't care or harbored distrust. They told me corruption was rampant and people were bitter.

After the earthquake, people really hated on the CCP.

Anecdotal, but it really shaped my opinions.

Look at Hong Kong. They clearly hate it, but they can't do anything about it.