Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

Re:Tell HN: If You Are in Russia by rightbyte on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @05:20AM (#30512255)

This is way worse than Georgia, Krim and Chechnya combined. Ukraine is a big country with a big army. The stakes Russia are putting in are big and shows the commitment with the pretense of being cornered. It is a full invasion. Also the NATO and EU military support in what Russia sees as their business is escalating the risks.

This is probably two magnitudes worse concerning the risk for further spread.

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Re:Tell HN: If You Are in Russia by dragonwriter on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @05:37AM (#30512388)

The size of the target country is somewhat less significant to me than the explicit justification for the war involving invocation of a set of translations and transpositions of the whole set of Nazi expansionist arguments (lebensraum, Volksgemeinschaft, and Blut and Boden), with a twist on the Dolchstoßlegende mixed in.

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Re:Tell HN: If You Are in Russia by rightbyte on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @07:12AM (#30513173)

Writing it in german does not change that those concept are fundamental for alot of border disputes.

The pretense is not what is interesting but the sheer size of the endeavour.

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Re:Tell HN: If You Are in Russia by dragonwriter on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @10:16AM (#30515151)

> Writing it in german does not change that those concept are fundamental for alot of border disputes.

I can't think of another country of any kind, much less a major power, overtly invoking the whole set since Hitler, but if it's so common, please list the examples you are thinking of.

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Re:Tell HN: If You Are in Russia by dukoid on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @06:26AM (#30512800)

I think it's important to distinguish Putin and Russia here. I don't think Russia sees Ukraine as their business.

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Re:Tell HN: If You Are in Russia by rightbyte on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @07:00AM (#30513072)

I am refering to the state power Russia. Do you think the state in general does not support this? What was senate thinking would happen when they voted for proclaiming the separatists independence and authorised military force?

Maybe they thought there would be a repetition of the rather clean Krim expedition.

Maybe the shadow elite are against the war.

I don't know.

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Re:Tell HN: If You Are in Russia by gspetr on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @12:21PM (#30516927)

>What was senate thinking

This is not comparable to how one gets elected to an upper house in most countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_council_of_russia#E...

These are rubber-stamping yes-men of a single party state, obedience is the only thing required, thinking is not involved.

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Re:Tell HN: If You Are in Russia by jacquesm on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @01:01PM (#30517512)

Let's hope they get to explain that in the the Hague at some point.

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Re:Tell HN: If You Are in Russia by CRConrad on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @01:26PM (#30517906)

Last time before den Haag that a group like them had the chance to explain this to a bench of judges was at Nuremberg.

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