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Re:Tell HN: If You Are in Russia by ysamjo on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @04:27AM (#30511756)
I would add that the unspecifity of the threat was what kept Putin going.

Consider what would have happened if "The West" handed Putin a detailed list of the sanctions that are in effect now A WEEK AGO.

Lower costs and lower risks. That's why far-sighted politics are so important.

Re:Tell HN: If You Are in Russia by jacquesm on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @08:06AM (#30513611)
This is a good point but: (1) what happened was considered unthinkable by many, (2) the wold has changed which allowed those sanctions and (3) the idea was not to 'rock the boat' and saying if you do this we will do that could have allowed for the Russian side to plan better playing into their hands and might have encouraged them to start a war.

So this is easy to say now, but I don't think there would have been any takers for this three weeks ago when for instance Germany was still firmly in the mistaken mindset that all of this is so unlikely that they don't need to prepare for it at all.

Re:Tell HN: If You Are in Russia by roca on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @05:05AM (#30512127)
He wouldn't have believed the list. Just like a lot of Europeans didn't believe he would invade Ukraine.
Re:Tell HN: If You Are in Russia by watwut on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @05:00AM (#30512081)
> Consider what would have happened if "The West" handed Putin a detailed list of the sanctions that are in effect now A WEEK AGO.

Putin would say that is why he attacked Ukraine. His cheerleads would then blame Biden, claiming Putin had no choice.

Re:Tell HN: If You Are in Russia by ysamjo on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @07:24AM (#30513258)
Doesn't make sense to me. It's a simple If-This-Then-That logic. The sanctions only take place once he invades. If there's no invasion of course there are no sanctions.
Re:Tell HN: If You Are in Russia by helge9210 on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @08:21AM (#30513773)
Consider that he has own logic of: if they present us with possible sanctions, it's considered aggression, so we attack, else they are weak, so we attack.
Re:Tell HN: If You Are in Russia by intended on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @04:54AM (#30512023)
Putin had already been setting up the Russian economy in a way so as to minimize the impact of sanctions.