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Re:Russian Ruble just lost ~30% of its value by vba616 on Sunday February 27, 2022 @11:30PM (#30496430)
>Hitler had allies

Last I heard, the governments of China and India were conspicuously refusing to condemn the invasion.

It doesn't seem unthinkable to me that a large part of the globe wants and feels they deserve, a "new world order" where the US takes a less hegemonic role and institutional influence is adjusted to reflect the modern world a bit more.

Re:Russian Ruble just lost ~30% of its value by scythe on Monday February 28, 2022 @12:02AM (#30496605)
Allies join you, they don't quietly remain neutral. India isn't joining Russia in a world war. Certainly not with China. China, meanwhile, is the superpower in the room and unless they've developed an invisibility cloak they haven't exactly been preparing for a superpower-level struggle. (Yes, they're building up their military, but so is everyone else, and it's been at a consistent pace for two decades.)

>It doesn't seem unthinkable to me that a large part of the globe wants and feels they deserve, a "new world order" where the US takes a less hegemonic role

It doesn't "seem unthinkable" because they've been literally saying that for half a century. That doesn't mean they want to work with the second coming of Christian nationalism. Anyone who's worked in diplomacy in the global South knows it's hard enough for them to work with each other.

Re:Russian Ruble just lost ~30% of its value by vba616 on Monday February 28, 2022 @01:41AM (#30497029)
>It doesn't "seem unthinkable" because they've been literally saying that for half a century.

I was trying for understatement.

>That doesn't mean they want to work with the second coming of Christian nationalism

No...I suppose not. But if they don't, why be neutral? What if they take the "Christian nationalism" as superficial? What if "want" is immaterial to a reality of working with the existing situation?

>Anyone who's worked in diplomacy in the global South knows it's hard enough for them to work with each other.

You sound knowledgeable. I didn't know that China was part of the global South.

Are you scoffing at the idea that China would work with Russia, or just reacting to the mention of India?

Specifically, is it completely absurd to you to suspect that the fruits of the OPM breach were sent by China to Moscow?

Re:Russian Ruble just lost ~30% of its value by scythe on Monday February 28, 2022 @09:15AM (#30499993)
>I didn't know that China was part of the global South.

China was ruled out separately; the remaining countries are either opposed to Russia, very small, or reasonably described as "global South". Your other points are similarly vacuous, and your attitude gives me no reason to continue this conversation.

Re:Russian Ruble just lost ~30% of its value by vba616 on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @08:15PM (#30522412)
You addressed me like I was an imbecile, I say you sound like you know something, and now you won't answer questions because of my attitude.

I'm genuinely disappointed not to hear more of your wisdom. I know that being an asshole and being wrong are different things.

Re:Russian Ruble just lost ~30% of its value by AnimalMuppet on Monday February 28, 2022 @12:14AM (#30496678)
Yeah. Belarus is an actual ally.

China has been allergic to the word "invasion", perhaps because they don't want it thrown at them if they attack Taiwan. But China is not happy with Russia over this.

Re:Russian Ruble just lost ~30% of its value by vba616 on Monday February 28, 2022 @01:51AM (#30497090)
>China is not happy with Russia over this

Current events in Ukraine seem like the perfect experiment to see if taking Taiwan is possible.

If it's really, really useful, I don't see how happy/unhappy would enter into it.

What does "actual ally" mean, according to experts? Was the USSR an actual ally of anyone in WWII? The US sent a zillion dollars worth of Jeeps and spam on the basis of shared interests, not true friendship.

Re:Russian Ruble just lost ~30% of its value by AnimalMuppet on Monday February 28, 2022 @11:30AM (#30501718)
"Actual ally" as in "they let Russia launch part of the invasion from their territory". Even more: Belarus is at least talking about sending their own troops as well.
Re:Russian Ruble just lost ~30% of its value by cutemonster on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @01:39AM (#30510471)
"puppet state" is a better word.

"Alley" is misleading in that it sounds as if the dictator there has any choice except than doing what Putin tells him.