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Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by leoedin on Saturday February 26, 2022 @03:20AM (#30476043)
This could also have good use for ground source heat pumps - they're the most efficient, robust and consistent source of domestic heating we have, but require fairly deep (60m ish) boreholes. If digging could be quicker, easier or faster these heat pumps could be installed everywhere.
Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by hectormalot on Saturday February 26, 2022 @04:20AM (#30476290)
I have one of those. The well is 170m deep. Took 2 guys about half a day to drill it, so that actually doesn’t seem excessive in terms of time required (mostly sand, no rock below my house).
Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by NavinF on Saturday February 26, 2022 @06:52AM (#30476846)
I assume you mean “2 guys and some heavy equipment”? As a kid it took me a whole summer of on-and-off digging to make a 1 meter deep hole for fun.
Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by dpark on Saturday February 26, 2022 @09:00AM (#30477607)
Out of curiosity, what were you digging with? Unless you were digging with a toy sand shovel or making a very large hole, that seems like a very long time.

As a kid, my cousin, my sister, and myself were able to dig a hole deep enough for me to be completely inside in an hour or two using a post hole digger. (Yes, this is a very stupid idea.)

Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by jmacd on Saturday February 26, 2022 @09:15AM (#30477706)
You have to make sure it's straight, drop sheathing in to the hole, and then cap it if it isn't going to be used right away.

More importantly, geothermal/ground source is rarely 1 well either, in our case it was 8.

Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by NavinF on Saturday February 26, 2022 @10:40AM (#30478439)
A shovel. I couldn't get past 1m because of the rocks were too difficult to shatter.
Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by dpark on Monday February 28, 2022 @09:48PM (#30508731)
That’s fair. We were not digging through rocks.
Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by oliveshell on Saturday February 26, 2022 @08:21AM (#30477299)
That’s what they mean. My neighbor had one drilled and the contractors showed up with a huge well-drilling truck.

It’s just a huge vertical drill with segments you add on as it goes deeper, like an oil well drill.

Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by hectormalot on Saturday February 26, 2022 @05:31PM (#30482617)
Correct, it's big but I wouldn't say huge (maybe 4.5x2.5m). This is the machine they used: https://conrad-stanen.nl/nl/producten/boxer-200
Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by oliveshell on Sunday February 27, 2022 @10:27AM (#30489287)
Most drills I’ve used fit in your hand. Compared to that, it’s huge :)

(although on rereading I didn’t mean to say ‘huge’ twice in my previous post)

Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by tinco on Saturday February 26, 2022 @11:06AM (#30478698)
Awesome! Do you sink heat into it during the summer, or do you also use it for airco?
Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by hectormalot on Saturday February 26, 2022 @05:33PM (#30482637)
Sink directly into it for the summer. Heat exchanger between the source (approx 10-15C) and the water from the floor heating/cooling system. Because the heat pump is not involved it's very efficient (only the power of the well pump)

I'm actually considering if it makes sense to push a lot more heat into it in the summer (Deliberately leaving curtains open, then moving this heat into the well; or even PVT panels), but I'm not sure if the well would retain heat long enough to make a difference towards the winter.

Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by tinco on Saturday February 26, 2022 @06:50PM (#30483398)
It definitely should, I'm not sure making your A/C work harder deliberately makes sense economically, I guess you'd have to do the math. PVT or even just thermal panels (i.e. rolls of garden hose painted black in a glass covered box) would make a lot of sense if you're in a colder climate though.

Your system should give a an overview of your yearly input/output and any drift of the well temperature right?

Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by happytiger on Saturday February 26, 2022 @05:05AM (#30476465)
Except this technology is for after you get to the plate of rock at the bottom of topsoil unfortunately. They mentioned it in the article. You use conventional drilling to get to depth first.
Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by OJFord on Saturday February 26, 2022 @04:21AM (#30476292)
They can also be horizontal, covering a larger area at a much shallower depth.
Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by meltedcapacitor on Saturday February 26, 2022 @08:18AM (#30477282)
Indeed horizontal (pipe network, like underfloor heating in reverse) is the most efficient solution, digging deep is for when the plot is too small or otherwise encumbered (or if one sits on top of a volcano).
Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by tinco on Saturday February 26, 2022 @09:03AM (#30477624)
A 60m borehole is not a source of energy, it is a store of energy. It only makes sense if you can sink enough heat into it in the summer, to use that energy in the winter. Or vice versa in warmer climates.
Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by jmacd on Saturday February 26, 2022 @09:13AM (#30477684)
We have a ground source heat pump and one summer we were away and did not use out air conditioning that year much at all. Mid winter our return loop temperatures (the glycol being brought in to our heat pump after circulating in the ground) was at one point 3 degrees C cooler than it had been any other year. Quite a noticeable difference. For reference, our loops are 8 vertical at 250ft.
Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by FredPret on Saturday February 26, 2022 @09:35AM (#30477867)
Wait, do you need eight 250ft wells?
Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by tinco on Saturday February 26, 2022 @11:09AM (#30478737)
Yeah for a family home that seems about right. 250ft is not very deep at all, and you need to store a lot of energy to past a whole winter/summer.
Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by jmacd on Monday February 28, 2022 @02:49PM (#30504241)
For a closed loop system, yes. I think that would be the minimum (6000 sq ft house) at 250ft depths.
Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by bjourne on Saturday February 26, 2022 @08:02AM (#30477194)
Couldn't we have one big plant with a large hole that distributes heat to surrounding homes?