The problem isn't oil itself but rather the byproducts, namely CO2 that is the cause of global warming and there just isn't enough of an impact from switching from modern ICE to EVs, rather the biggest source of CO2 emissions are the countries people in the West are outsourcing to make cheap goods.

It appears the CO2 emission standards can be achieved overnight simply by boycotting of all goods produce in countries where there is zero qualms about CO2 emissions, namely coal based power plants, which Western allied nations are more than happy to sell and point the finger at the said country they are exploiting.

But imagine telling virtue signaling West coast individual who believes he/she has superior moral values while happily consuming products produced in Authoritarian states under the threat of violence and exploitation of children that they need to trade their comfort for a greater collective.

If a society can't even come to agreements over wearing masks, there's zero chance such society can cut back on our reliance on the Petrodollar because doing so would put them on the same level of discomfort as other developing nations.

Leave it to third world countries to fix it while happily consuming and fueling the product of CO2 emissions and reminding them what a shthole country they live in.

This is my observation as a German looking into the West's mindset, its riddled with hypocrisy and self-contradictory ethic system aimed at distracting its citizens from the truth that their comforts are at the cost to this planet and rest of humanity.

We enjoy what we have because others could not have it and there is zero chance individualistic societies can reverse its mindless competition for vanity consumption.

As a German citizen, you should be aware that your country just veto’s sanctions on Russia so that they could keep the flow of natural gas coming. Your ex-Chancellor decommissioned your nuclear power plants so that you would buy more Russian gas, and he now is on the board of Gazprom and heads the company behind Nordstream 2. Also, petroleum cars are one of your biggest industries. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

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> It appears the CO2 emission standards can be achieved overnight simply by boycotting of all goods produce in countries where there is zero qualms about CO2 emissions, namely coal based power plants, which Western allied nations are more than happy to sell and point the finger at the said country they are exploiting.

Start by boycotting all German goods.

I never defended this it seems you have some other issue here

which I care very little about

You just spent paragraphs virtue signaling while turning up your nose at people less harmful than your own. Clearly you care enough to keep coming back you glutton for punishment :P

> This is my observation as a German looking into the West's mindset, its riddled with hypocrisy and self-contradictory ethic system aimed at distracting its citizens from the truth that their comforts are at the cost to this planet and rest of humanity.

I think people are reading this, perhaps incorrectly, as you considering Germany and yourself to be on the outside of this phenomenon, rather than a part of it.

It happened due to reasons independent of CO2.

Repeating this doesn't help the problem Germany is in right now. Independent of it Germany did push a lot into solar

I have not stated my opinion on lithium production only the difference to oil.

And yes it's the co2 but the co2 is always the issue when we talk about climate change.

If we get ecopolitical: I think lithium itself is right now much better to extract from earth then oil as it will help to transition away from fossil fuels and I'm not blind to the fact that my existence creates struggles for other humans.

Good response I will concede that lithium seems our best bet given the current situation but I think ICE cars still have lot of room for CO2 reduction. While we are on topic of cars, I would slap additional environmental tax for old classic cars or straight piped V8, V10, V12. One does not need so many cylinders to get from point A to B.

You know idle games?

Like when you have level 1 unlocked and lvlq creates a lot of money and you are at the point to continue to buy more and more expensive upgrades for lvl 1 or to save up to start to invest in lvl2.

If the market can just do what it does with ice cars and in parallel work on ev I would totally agree. We could do much more with ice.

But we know that there is a huge necessary investment curve for ev. When is the right time to stop investing money time and brain time for ice and start putting it in EV?

I believe they are not independent.

Funny enough I think old companies are getting more frightened then ever afer Tesla, apple, Sony, Amazon are investing into ev development.

Independent of this, ice to ev transition takes already relatively long in Germany and similar countries. This will take even more time in countries with less GDP.

Do we have the time to wait?

For ICE we are chasing the final 0.1% improvements. There are a few of them left, but each round eliminates more from the future things to find. Even if they all work out, total we are looking at most a couple percent improvement.

The same applies (maybe worse) to electric motors, but the efficiency of electric motors is substantially better.

there is a fair amount of work yet to be done with Batteries, but even there we know theoretical limits and are closing in on them. (Ask a chemist what they are). if you want to make a contribution to cars battery technology is currently where there is the most room for a big improvement.

Note, I have no idea what the costs for any of the above is. It maybe that ICE investments are still more cost effective. I doubt it, but I don't know. Not matter what improvements will be expensive.

80% is the theoretical limit and we are struggling to get past 30% but I forsee dramatic economic incentives to increase this a lot higher. Doing so might raise costs of production however

80% is the theoretical limit for what? AFAIK the theoretical limit for an Otto cycle engine is somewhere around 46%, and we're getting pretty close already.