NATO leaves Black Sea exposed as Russia invades Ukraine

Re:NATO leaves Black Sea exposed as Russia invades Ukraine by ZeroGravitas on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:21AM (#30467558)

And yet there's nothing you could think of to say that didn't equate Germany and Putin as Ukraine's enemies?

This is all very reminiscent of "Hillary is just as bad as Trump". Seems to be a common logical fallacy that you can't have something that is better than the alternative but still not good enough.

Instead people have to exaggerate to make the better one just as bad, which then has the implicit claim that the worse one is just the same as the better one in this metric.

Whatever Germany is doing or not doing, it seems unlikely to approach the same level as invading Ukraine and killing a whole bunch of people.

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Re:NATO leaves Black Sea exposed as Russia invades Ukraine by robert_foss on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:21AM (#30468178)

I have not equated Germany with Russia. Don't strawman me.

I am however pointing out that Germany is delaying and holding back the response to a European country being invaded.

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Re:NATO leaves Black Sea exposed as Russia invades Ukraine by ZeroGravitas on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:52AM (#30468566)

> With friends like Germany, who needs enemies.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/with_friends_like_these_who_n...

"An expression indicating that one's close associates prove more adversarial than one's opponents."

Probably just an unconscious idiom, but the use of the word "enemy" in context of an invasion seemed to be a bit too loaded a term.

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Re:NATO leaves Black Sea exposed as Russia invades Ukraine by insickness on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:38AM (#30467723)

Europe and the US's energy dependence on Russia emboldened Putin to attack because now sanctions will harm us as much as they harm him. No, we're not the ones attacking Ukraine, but we are complicit.

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