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Re:On the removal of Come Back Alive by badRNG on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:19AM (#30467540)
I mean, is Iraq even a loss politically?

The US thoroughly rolled the Iraqi military, killed over 1 million Iraqis, overthrew their government, and installed a new government in Iraq that still exists today.

To say this is a "loss" leaves us at a place where the term has no meaning.

Re:On the removal of Come Back Alive by chrisco255 on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:17AM (#30468120)
Yes, because it required 20 years of active occupation, numerous offensives, and trillions of dollars and it's unlikely that the result will last.

While we fucked around in the middle east, Russia regained strength and China emerged as a peer world power. Does anyone want to bet that Iraq or Afghanistan will remain our loyal ally in this new multipolar world?

We're now $30T in debt with a 125% debt-to-GDP ratio. All of our allies are completely emasculated by 70+ years of U.S. hegemony. And no one has an appetite for war on ideological grounds when we lied about all the past wars and protestors are getting trampled by horses and un-personed from the financial system without due process in a 'liberal' western democracy.

Strategically speaking, you can win a battle but lose the war. It was an absolute loss from that perspective.

Re:On the removal of Come Back Alive by toomanybeersies on Friday February 25, 2022 @11:07AM (#30468743)
> Yes, because it required 20 years of active occupation, numerous offensives, and trillions of dollars and it's unlikely that the result will last.

By that logic, the Germans lost the Franco-Prussian War because they subsequently lost the First World War.

Re:On the removal of Come Back Alive by arpanet86 on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:24AM (#30468213)
Killing over 1 million Iraqis, most of them civilians, counts as a "win"?

The war massively damaged the US government's credibility, both domestically and internationally, cost the US ~$2T, and did little to stabilize the region; one might be able to argue that it destabilized it, in fact. The US won a military victory in Iraq, but emerged worse off on the whole as a result.

Re:On the removal of Come Back Alive by badRNG on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:33PM (#30475044)
If wars have either winners, losers, or ties, the Iraqis definitely were the "losers" of the invasion of Iraq by the US. This isn't intended to be a moral value judgement on the slaughter of the 1 million Iraqis in the process.