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Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by dekhn on Thursday February 24, 2022 @02:16PM (#30458942)
NATO/US is preparing to handle the refugee flood into countries invading Ukraine. They are not keeping russia from taking ukraine or holding it, by using military force. It looks like the takeover of Ukraine will be done by tomorrow.
Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by gpm on Thursday February 24, 2022 @02:20PM (#30458988)
You're overestimating the speed of the attack. Even if the Ukrainians put up no resistance (and they have been putting up resistance) - tanks just don't move that fast/ukraine is a big place.

See the dotted lines in this map - that's a rough estimate of how far the Russians have made it in a day. Even if they continue at the same pace overnight (unlikely), and the next day, and the next night, there's still a lot of the country they won't have physically reached yet.

https://twitter.com/OSINTNS/status/1496880680143568901/photo...

Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by dekhn on Thursday February 24, 2022 @02:29PM (#30459096)
Since they're already shelling Kyiv, they obviously have more options than tanks to take ownership of the governmental apparatus.

I can't see how Ukraine can put up any realistic defence given they now have no radar tracking or air support.

If your point is "it takes tanks a few days to get to Kyiv", then, yes, that is technically correct. If your point is "Russia needs to invade the whole country", no. They own the country when they control the governmental apparatus in Kyiv.

Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by sveme on Thursday February 24, 2022 @02:40PM (#30459240)
The US did not control either Iraq nor Afghanistan when they took Baghdad or Kabul, respectively. That‘s not how a much weaker force fights nowadays against the more powerful opponent.
Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by dekhn on Thursday February 24, 2022 @02:48PM (#30459345)
I believe russia has already fully integrated the idea that this will shift to a guerilla war once they have complete ownership of all the country. Nor is Ukraine (or Russia's way of maintaining control over a country once they occupy it) is really analogous to either of those countries.
Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by gpm on Thursday February 24, 2022 @02:35PM (#30459197)
I think you underestimate how easy it will be to take control of the government and country.

Ukraine knew that they would be able to take Kyiv quickly. Intelligence sources have been saying that for weeks. They (Ukraine and it's friends) have been preparing for this - openly talking about partisan style resistance.

I'm willing to bet that they need to seize pretty close to the entire country to maintain any sort of control.

Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by gumby on Thursday February 24, 2022 @03:12PM (#30459653)
I suspect Russia will just keep slicing the sausage. Then take the western provinces and re install a puppet regime as was there before (like Belarus). If that turns out to be inadequate down the road, just take another slice or two down the road.

The USSR went partially this way in Finland: sliced off half the country, though they left the other half alone, on sufferance. I don’t think Putin would be satisfied with that: he’ll want another Yanukovych or Lukashenko.

Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by dekhn on Saturday February 26, 2022 @10:12AM (#30478147)
Update: I was totally wrong!
Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by dekhn on Thursday February 24, 2022 @03:58PM (#30460180)
"By sunset, Russian special forces and airborne troops had seized the Chernobyl site and were pushing into the outskirts of Kyiv." (that's an update from NY Times. We can imagine that special forces will proceed to the government house and presidential office building through tonight and have ownership by tomorrow)
Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by dekhn on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:57AM (#30467900)
Troops entered kyiv, some 19 hours after you made your statement.
Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by gpm on Saturday February 26, 2022 @12:38AM (#30475432)
Should be ~35 hours after my claim now, the "overnight, next day, and next night" mentioned has now passed.

It appears that heavy tanks have yet to even reach kyiv. Lighter vehicles and paratroopers have, but failed to seize the city overnight. The vast majority of Ukraine remains unoccupied, the takeover attempt is far from over like you claimed it would be.

Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by dekhn on Saturday February 26, 2022 @10:13AM (#30478149)
I was wrong.
Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by gpm on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:45AM (#30468476)
My statement was not about how long it will take them to take Kyiv, but rather Ukraine. I had actually thought they would reach Kyiv before now.

I still believe my claim. Unless Russia miraculously takes the rest of the country in a few hours it will come true.