Don’t offend people like that. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion and views. They can also be wrong without having to be talked down to like that.

Perhaps gp could have worded it a bit more kindly, but I think there is value in calling out people who espouse opinions without having sufficient knowledge to back it up. It's people like this who degrade and limit useful discourse.

My heart goes out to op and everyone else who has been unfairly effected by this conflict.

They didn't just have an opinion, they said it was nonsense.

Ok. He was obviously wrong. He made a prediction about the future and was wrong.

But to say because he was wrong this time, he "didn't have sufficient knowledge" is just kind of dumb itself.

He's probably way more aware of what Ukrainians are feeling about the situation and their opinions on what's happening than we are. You can have a lot of knowledge, but still be wrong. Lambasting people and insulting them for the apparent sin of simply being wrong is the thing that's degraded and limited useful discourse.

This person's family and friends are at risk of harm or death, and here you are concerned with scoring internet points on a forum. Nice...

One might argue that they were too interested in internet points on a forum and on maintaining an ideological position that was pretty obviously already untenable.

It's still a dumb position/argument to point a finger at someone who is now a target and say "see I told you so" probably from the other side of the world.

It's like if your friend just had their bike stolen after someone suggested not to leave it there. What was a valid contribution turns into being a dick "Yes, ty for your useful contribution"

Yeah, you're right.

What have Americans done other than warn of war but not do anything? If anything they made war more likely by preventing Russia from saving face. Even Zelenskiy said as much.

But the west didn't actually do anything... Why didn't they pledge any real support? What use was all the US' intelligence if in the end they just stand by?

It really feels like the west wanted this in order to justify more sanctions and completely sold out Ukraine.

Edit - on further thought, it feels like the US wants Ukrainians to fight and die. Really though, what use is the US?

> Really though, what use is the US?

What? Do you want the US interfering with your country? How many years did you have to create closer ties to the US before now? Why would the US want Ukrainians to die and why would they want Americans to die?

>Do you want the US interfering with your country?

Not in Ukraine, only of Ukrainian descent.

The US has already been interfering... Orange Revolution, Maidan, beating the NATO war drums, etc... They "encouraged" Ukraine to leave Russia's sphere but kept dragging out real timelines and concrete promises.

Right now, I'm watching Biden talk about "supporting" Ukraine while smiling and smirking. But nothing concrete. Really feels like the US wanted this just to sanction Russia. But Ukraine is being sacrificed...