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Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by light_hue_1 on Thursday February 24, 2022 @10:07AM (#30455574)
There's no country like Russia that is accepting such high risk. Russia is a dictatorship. It's Putin taking risks to settle old scores that he feels weren't addressed when the Soviet union collapsed as a way to distract from Russia's severe internal problems.

Putin sees the west as weak. Germany has a new leader. France is about to have elections. The UK is still dealing with Brexit. The EU is fractured with Poland and Hungary and has no out. The US is so divided that a previous president is encouraging Putin to invade and the current president is likely to lose the House and the Senate very shortly.

This is the perfect time if you believe the west is weak. The problem is that what's next on the menu (maybe after Moldova? But that's not very tasty, sorry friends!) Are all NATO members.

And.. Putin lives in the echo chamber you create when you're a dictator who regularly throws people out of windows to their death. He might decide it's time to test NATO. And that's world war territory.

But you'll always be lost if you assume there is a them. There's no them. There's Putin. Read his speech from last night, this thinking and desires are very clear.

Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by BitwiseFool on Thursday February 24, 2022 @10:31AM (#30455814)
> "The US is so divided that a previous president is encouraging Putin to invade"

I've started hearing this a lot this morning and I don't see where Trump actually said this. From what I can tell he's blaming the current administration for allowing this to happen and saying that Putin is brilliant for taking advantage of Biden and outsmarting him. Seems like he's primarily calling Biden inept rather than encouraging Putin to go further.

Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by Cthulhu_ on Thursday February 24, 2022 @10:44AM (#30455979)
He's not - and never has - condemned or opposed it either though; I think the US may have dodged a bullet with not re-electing Trump, because if he used his position as supreme commander to not act on Russia's aggression (which he would be required to due to NATO etc), it would destabilize NATO and make it a toothless tiger. He's always been a fan of Putin, and especially early on during his presidency there were accusations and rumors of him being in Putin's pocket (via extortion, 'kompromat', but given the quotes over the years I don't think that would have been necessary).

A selection of quotes: https://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/28/politics/donald-trump-vla...

Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by sanedigital on Thursday February 24, 2022 @11:42AM (#30456829)
Those accusations and rumors were paid for by the DNC [1] and ultimately found to be false [2].

Crimea was invaded under Obama. Russia made no expansionist moves under Trump. The current conflict was started under Biden. Hate Trump all you want, but to say that he would have been worse under these circumstances is a hard argument to swallow.

[1: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clint...] [2: https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/politics/steele-dossier-recko...]

Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by BitwiseFool on Thursday February 24, 2022 @11:22AM (#30456527)
Reading though the quotes I don't sense a particular affinity for Putin. I just see these quotes as extensions of how Trump likes to talk. He likes to dole out praise, probably thinking it helps his negotiating position by trying to endear the subject to him.
Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by specialist on Thursday February 24, 2022 @11:05AM (#30456299)
Yes and:

> would destabilize NATO

Trump is also hostile to NATO. For him, win/win.

Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by light_hue_1 on Thursday February 24, 2022 @11:20AM (#30456496)
Here is what Trump said. He very clearly praised Putin's invasion.

> “Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine — Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. ‘I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. ... We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No, but think of it. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/02/23/trump-pra...

Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by BitwiseFool on Thursday February 24, 2022 @11:29AM (#30456634)
Trump said this on a podcast, and I wonder how the quotes are interpreted differently when you hear his tone of voice: https://youtu.be/ebHVsWQThMU?t=41

I suspect "Oh that's wonderful" is not meant to be literally interpreted as him thinking it's wonderful. I also don't think he actually sees those military forces as true peacekeepers either. "That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right." To me that sounds like he's mocking the idea that the force is actually for peacekeeping because it is the size and composition of an army.

Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by CRConrad on Thursday March 03, 2022 @10:39AM (#30542360)
> I suspect "Oh that's wonderful" is not meant to be literally interpreted as him thinking it's wonderful.

Yes he abso-fucking-lutely means it's "wonderful", only not in the way you apparently misinterpreted it.

> I also don't think he actually sees those military forces as true peacekeepers either.

No, of course not. Where on Earth do you even get such an idea from? You're literally the first person I've seen even entertaining that hypothesis.

> To me that sounds like he's mocking the idea that the force is actually for peacekeeping because it is the size and composition of an army.

Yes, of course he's mocking that -- in admiration of the sheer audacity of using such a transparent lie. That is what's so "wonderful" about it, in his world -- it's exactly his own MO, but on a scale he has never got close to himself. He's (possibly literally) pissing his pants with glee over Putler's chutzpah.

And that's why you can clearly hear from his voice that "We should do that on the Mexican border" was not sarcasm: It's a 100% serious recommendation that the USA should do the same, unilaterally declare some piece of Mexico "independent" and then go in and "peacekeep" it for themselves.

Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by jessaustin on Thursday March 10, 2022 @07:17AM (#30626075)
Please, no. That's how we got Texas, and we certainly don't need more of that.