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Re:Explosions in Kiev and Kharkiv now [CNN] by Const-me on Wednesday February 23, 2022 @11:32PM (#30450299)
> Does this being on YouTube make it any less meaningful?

The professor is clueless.

Before the war has started in 2014, Ukrainians din't want NATO expansion. Overwhelmingly, they wanted to stay neutral.

In 2008 NATO summit in Romania, Ukraine and Georgia were denied from getting NATO membership plan, not invited: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7328276.stm

The orange revolution of 2004 has nothing to do with the west. Ukrainians did it for internal reasons.

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Re:Explosions in Kiev and Kharkiv now [CNN] by warner_of_doom on Wednesday February 23, 2022 @11:37PM (#30450329)
I am for keeping Ukraine as a neutral buffer separating Russia and the US.

NATO proposed Ukrainian and Georgian membership of NATO in 2005-2008, in the clear knowledge that this would destabilize the situation.

France, Germany, and others were against this. The proposal began the issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJBQikfYyKs

We then openly backed the 2014 putsch in Kiev, an open act of aggression just as irresponsible as a military incursion. CIA John Brennan, Senator John McCain, and Diplomat Victoria Nuland were there in Ukraine when Yanukovych was being overthrown. There is also evidence to show that we were involved through NGOs in overthrowing and promoting an atmosphere desiring the overthrow of Yanukovych.

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Re:Explosions in Kiev and Kharkiv now [CNN] by Const-me on Wednesday February 23, 2022 @11:50PM (#30450413)
> I am for keeping Ukraine as a neutral buffer separating Russia and the US.

US is on another continent. It doesn't needs that buffer, Atlantic ocean is rather wide and deep.

You seems to ignore what Ukrainians want. NATO is an open alliance (open https://www.nato.int/ and read what they wrote there), not an American empire.

> We then openly backed the 2014 putsch in Kiev

That backing was limited to verbal expressions of support. Technically you're not wrong and this might count as "backing", but I don't believe that changed anything at all in the outcome.

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Re:Explosions in Kiev and Kharkiv now [CNN] by CRConrad on Friday March 04, 2022 @02:23AM (#30551698)
> 2014 putsch in Kiev

WARNING: Troll factory catchphrase ["putsch"].

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Re:Explosions in Kiev and Kharkiv now [CNN] by ComradePhil on Friday February 25, 2022 @02:33AM (#30464570)
>NATO is an open alliance, not an American empire.

NATO is an excuse for America to have their colonising army in Europe while making it look like something else. America can brainwash Europeans by using the media of these compromised nations and their own peasants via their corrupt corporate media... but don't expect outsiders, include Russia, to fall for this nonsense.

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Re:Explosions in Kiev and Kharkiv now [CNN] by warner_of_doom on Wednesday February 23, 2022 @11:39PM (#30450344)
Do you not recall the Victoria Nuland tape that leaked? "F** the EU" she said -- knowing full well that the Germans and French would be against a coup in then-neutral Ukraine.
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Re:Explosions in Kiev and Kharkiv now [CNN] by r721 on Wednesday February 23, 2022 @11:37PM (#30450326)
>These are all PhDs or experts in some fashion that I just cited.

And it just happens that they all have pro-Kremlin views. You just selected experts which say things that you personally like.

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Re:Explosions in Kiev and Kharkiv now [CNN] by warner_of_doom on Wednesday February 23, 2022 @11:49PM (#30450402)
How are they "pro-Kremlin"?

They are pro-peace pro-realpolitik. Not "pro-Kremlim".

Peter Zeihan is openly not pro-Kremlim. He predicts that Russia will collapse. As does George Friedman.

Please think before you type?

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